Just lock us down before the vaccine!

[DinosaurDildo]

Lock us down and be done with it until Feb/March or whenever the vaccine is established. All schools off too (health trumps education).

One last shit show, then we will never have to do it again.

The light IS at the end of the tunnel. (Vaccine, hurrah).

Let’s save lives whilst we can. We never know when we may need emergency NHS treatment.

For the record I’m not privileged, and I have three young kids who in the perfect covid free world I would much prefer to be AT school.

My friend thinks we should just get on with our lives “survival of the fittest”. Well bloody good luck with your survival rhetoric when you need a hospital bed for you or your child and there isn’t one......

Anyone else agree/disagree?

I agree OP.

For those saying lockdown is pointless as it didn’t work in November: that’s because they kept the schools open allowing a variant that finds it easier to infect children to run riot. November wasn’t actually a lockdown - and now in t4 there is constantly a group of about 20 people outside local park cafe all meeting up and chatting at close range.

@LizzieSiddal

If we close schools & the virus still spreads like wildfire, then what?

It won’t spread like wildfire if we close the schools and have a full lockdown.

People aren’t following now the rules of not mixing indoors ... what makes you think they’ll follow a full lockdown?

Well what level of lockdown do you want? I haven’t been able to have any visitors inside my house since October, everything’s shut except essential retail, the schools and nurseries are all closing for the first two weeks back in Jan, and we’re not supposed to travel outside our local area unless we’re on fire or something.

I’ll put up with whatever restrictions are necessary to hold down the virus until the vaccine starts making a dent, but I don’t crave being even more locked down than this unless it’s really clearly necessary.

Plus, given that in spring Mumsnet was full of people wailing that it wasn’t ‘a proper lockdown’ because we were allowed out of the house to exercise once a day, I’m seriously concerned about what would make people feel like we’d met ‘proper lockdown’ status this time round.

@PenguinIce

Are you mad? If you don’t think removing kids from school will reduce community spread i am lost for words. Or did you believe Boris when he said they were safe? People might think twice about bending the rules when the shit really does hit the fan in a few weeks.

Hospitalisation and death, this is a CDC link which highlights the huge impact on age on hospitalisation. Obviously the CDC is American and it won't be a neat transfer to our own figures but will be close enough to demonstrate the point.

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

@LizzieSiddal

If we close schools & the virus still spreads like wildfire, then what?

It won’t spread like wildfire if we close the schools and have a full lockdown.

Probably not, but it sure as hell will in February when lockdown 3.0 finishes, then what? Another lockdown?

@GoldenOmber

Small matter of primary schools.

I think you are silly to think that people will suddenly follow rules if schools close.

I disagree. I think that, whether consciously or not, people think that when schools are open the situation is "less serious" and you see a lot of oh if my kids are at school what is the harm of x,y,z.

My local playground was bumper to bumper kids the other day. Parents chatting, not distancing, no masks. You'd never see that during the first lockdown, and not just because playgrounds were closed.

Probably not, but it sure as hell will in February when lockdown 3.0 finishes, then what?

Vaccines.

[quote DinosaurDildo]@GoldenOmber

Small matter of primary schools.[/quote]
Well they were closed in March and a lot of people felt that didn’t count as a real proper hard lockdown, so....

Schools are closed right now cuz of holidays ... yet you keep seeing threads where people are breaking the rules in tier 4.

Agree.

Probably not, but it sure as hell will in February when lockdown 3.0 finishes, then what? Another lockdown?

By Feb millions more vulnerable people will have been vaccinated, so no we wouldn’t need another full lockdown.

@GoldenOmber

Not interested in what the Karen’s thought of LD1. Fact is, it brought down the numbers.

Penny only drops with this nation when the schools are off. If they’re in, it’s a completely different mentality. People just don’t care, and to be honest I can see the logic. What’s the bloody point when your kid is mixing with 30 other families?

@Lairyfightzzzz

Probably not, but it sure as hell will in February when lockdown 3.0 finishes, then what?

Vaccines.

Yeah, the answer to all our problems. We can all trust this wonderfully reliable government to roll out the vaccines efficiently by February, I mean look what a great job they did with track and trace and the Nightingale hospitals

@FourTeaFallOut - my friend is a paediatric dietitian currently seconded to deal with Covid patients in ICU. She says they’re predominantly middle-aged men. The stats for Covid infections by age group in my area tally with her anecdotal data. The vast majority of confirmed Covid cases are in the 40-59 age groups.

I have a year 10 so time to just "catch up" is somewhat limited. The effects of lockdown on the education and mental wellbeing of teens is massive yet so easily dismissed by those not close to one!

@ScoobySnacker

I have a year 10 so time to just "catch up" is somewhat limited. The effects of lockdown on the education and mental wellbeing of teens is massive yet so easily dismissed by those not close to one!

Op on her first comments mentions “health trumps education”

She should have mentioned “excepts kids mental health, that one doesn’t matter to anyone”

Yeah, the answer to all our problems. We can all trust this wonderfully reliable government to roll out the vaccines efficiently by February

And if they don't we will have to stay in lockdown (inc schools closed) for longer. There is no alternative option. That ship sailed long ago due to their staggering incompetence.

@ScoobySnacker

Join the club. I also have a ten year old.
This is a national disaster. My children’s right to an education does not trump the current need for hospital beds.

It’s a humanity issue. There is no contest.

And yes there were plenty of loons on MN the first time round who thought the first lockdown "didn't count" because you could still buy chocolate at the supermarket and because we weren't welded shut inside our homes, but the numbers prove they were wrong.

Covid hospitalisations are not mainly 40-59 though, and those in ICU will be a different demographic to those not considered robust enough to benefit for the intervention.

DinosaurDildo will your DC be taking up a KW place at their school in the event of this lockdown?

@EasterIssland

You are being pedantic, I care deeply about kids MH, including my own.

There is no room for blurred boundaries here though. There is no time.

So yes at the minute, this trumps it all. In MY ideal world, we would lock down now, kids out of school and MASS vaccination of the vulnerable groups.

Only then can children have a sustainable education because what they currently have with this stop/start fiasco, is utter bullshit.

Dragging this out isn’t good for anyone’s mental health, kids included. The nation needs stability.

Year 10 not 10 year old. DD is 15. Is her right to an education worthless? How about her mental health or does only one form of health matter now?