53,000 cases today

[TingTastic]

Shit

@Ginfordinner

Where are the covid deniers now?

Oh man, they're still here. Every covid thread must have at least one. It's a rule.

I would have expected cases to be very high for those from the week or so prior to Xmas. People went in their thousands to shopping centres to complete last minute Xmas shopping. There were pictures all over the media of people cramming streets, and I think shops and supermarkets are hotbeds for the virus.

@MrsHedgeLegs

Very true *@southeastdweller* We’ve been told all along ‘the vast majority will not die from this disease, a significant proportion will not get this virus at all. Of those who get symptoms 80% mild or moderate. Even in the very high risk groups the great majority if they catch this virus will not die’ Quote by Professor Chris Whitty

It's true. But those 20% will be ill enough to need oxygen.

So lets run some numbers. 53000 new cases today*. 50% asymptomatic. Likely to be much fewer, because mostly people don't present for testing unless they feel poorly, but work with it for ease of maths. That's 26500 symptomatic cases. Of which 20% will need admission and oxygen. 5300. And 10 percent of those will need HDU or ITU. 530.

5300 admissions from just one day. Where are we going to put them all?

(*yes, I get that the lag in reporting means they're not all today. But still.)

MN has gone downhill since the Daily Mail started running loads of articles based on from threads here. It means that more of their frothing COVID-denying readers have started posting here. I wish they’d just fuck off back to the DM.

It's a tuesday after a long weekend of minimal reporting no doubt.

I was querying earlier why it’s those in care home getting vaccinated first. My thoughts being shouldn’t it be key workers - the bus drivers, the doctors, the teachers. But then I realised. It’s to keep the elderly out of hospital so there’s more chance of treating the younger people who are seriously ill. When you think about things in terms of that, the 53000 cases is worrying

@FoundSkipping

I was querying earlier why it’s those in care home getting vaccinated first. My thoughts being shouldn’t it be key workers - the bus drivers, the doctors, the teachers. But then I realised. It’s to keep the elderly out of hospital so there’s more chance of treating the younger people who are seriously ill. When you think about things in terms of that, the 53000 cases is worrying

Why is it? Most of the elderly who have vaccinated haven't had two doses and they've been vaccinating less than a month. In reality practically nobody is vaccinated yet.

They probably need to really concentrate on NHS staff being vaccinated, though, or it won't matter either way.

You would rather they lived in fear and with no hope?

Yes we would all be in a better place if everyone was logical, could read and understand data expertly and did what was best for the greater good.

People are going to think, understand and behave individually. Your reality and experiences of the pandemic aren't everyones.

@Ginfordinner

The only thing this thread is telling me is that people only hear what they want to hear.

Yep

@EleanorRigbyWasReal

The Govt. was advised in September that if there wasn’t a total lockdown, including schools and learning establishments, then by Christmas, we would be in crisis with an overwhelmed NHS.

And now, SAGE is saying DO NOT REOPEN SCHOOLS so what’s Johnson doing? Staggering the opening of schools.

I’m beginning to think this Govt. want to kill us all. Cull the population/the working class/poor/vulnerable.

Your probably right. It is all a conspiracy and he was working with China all along

I have no words.. we were warned. The selfish twats carried on regardless leading up to Christmas and now look. It's real, I've had it and it was not pleasant at all. A nurse friend of mine in a London hospital is on her second round 6 Months on only this time she's really very sick! If they open the schools next week I'll be very bloody shocked!!

It means that more of their frothing COVID-denying readers have started posting here

I've been on MN since 2006.

What do you mean by covid denier? It's a strange phrase that seems to have caught on. Who is denying that covid exists? I'm not. I haven't seen any posters say it doesnt exist. Are you saying that people who hold a different viewpoint to you are covid deniers? You disagree with us so imply we are stupid and uneducated? Again, not very nice is it.

That doesn't add up to the average death age of 82 in the U.K. at all. I'll stick with listening to the actual stats and not a self claimed hcp on mumsnet

The poster didn't say they were dying en mass, she just said they were receiving ITU care. The elderly and those with severe underlying conditions are not likely to be a priority for ITU if demand outstrips resources- harsh but true.

@Covidiot

MN has gone downhill since the Daily Mail started running loads of articles based on from threads here. It means that more of their frothing COVID-denying readers have started posting here. I wish they’d just fuck off back to the DM.

I don’t get these rants. Agree with pp on all this Covid denier stuff.

Wow! I'M the one whose post gets deleted?

@MarshaBradyo @MassiveSalad

For me, COVID deniers are the ones who do one/all/some of the following:

• persistently minimise the current situation.
• believe their own “research” makes them qualified to challenge highly qualified scientists
• fail to see collective non following of rules has significant impact on COVID figures (ie micro vs macro)
• think “their rights” trump everything so whinge about things like mask wearing (I am not including those who cannot wear for medical or PTSD reasons)
• think that a 1% death rate is no big deal
• claim that “it’s just flu” and that current death figures are same as a bad flu year (they are really not)
• are all off a sudden harping on about “MH issues” when previously, though society was changing, there was generally a real stigma against such issues (first hand experience here)
• ironically (with reference to last point) explain that those of us who are really concerned must have real MH issues
• think that by preventing the vulnerable from living their lives at all is the only solution
• don’t understand that some wards in hospitals being quieter does not mean that there is not a capacity crisis - that the infrastructure required to support all these covid patients is limited

This list is not exhaustive however but all are prevalent on the DM most liked comments.

HTH

I love how it seems to be people who actually read the daily mail who complain about it lol.

That doesn't add up to the average death age of 82 in the U.K. at all. I'll stick with listening to the actual stats and not a self claimed hcp on mumsnet

Average age is skewed by the high number of deaths in care homes. Most people in ICU for Covid don't die (I think about 1 in 3 do?) so it's not just about deaths and outcomes are better for younger people. Overall approx half the people in ICU are under 60 (actual stats, from ICNARC reports). There has been some anecdotal evidence (so no, not stats or data yet, but reports from icu doctors and nurses) that they are seeing an increase in younger patients recently.

@CoffeeandCroissant

Remember, most test results from household Christmas mixing on 24/25/26th December won't be showing up yet. Average of 5.5 days from infection to symptoms, then another day or two to book and take a test and then another 3 days or so for a result, so around ten days. So most people who got infected over Christmas won't show in the stats until the first few days of January...

On the other hand the schools have been shut and the schools were driving the infection rate.

@ObliviouslyIgnorant how on earth would I be in a position to criticise the DM if I didn’t know first hand the shite they write, and how they influence people (as observed in the comments).

So I make no apologies for looking at DM (as well as the other papers not behind a paywall)

@User158340, probably. I'm in a very high level area, and for the last two weeks, our rates have been dropping. I have no doubt that the schools being closed have paid a part.

NHS staff are testing in large numbers, lateral flow tests produce approx 50 / 60 % false positive, so a second test is requires. I wonder if the increase consists of a large number of false positives