53,000 cases today

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Shit

We had a lock down from November until December the 2nd and for a short while cases did go down I remember figures of around 11,000, the deaths we are seeing now are from cases of around 3/4 weeks ago ,they have repeatedly explained there is a time lag between positive cases and deaths .

It’s the idiots flooding the shops, mooching around family en masse. The extended families from all cultures not thinking the rules include them.

The young people having parties because - well you are only young once.

You only had to see from the threads before Xmas from people stating they weren’t going to be told who they could mix with, the kids were devastated, the older generation were taking the risk to know this was going to happen.

Stupid stupid people who blame everyone but themselves for this.

@Bathroom12345

The extended families from all cultures not thinking the rules include them.

Errrm wtf? Calm down and stop stereotyping

www.thejournal.ie/kary-mullis-pcr-testing-factcheck-debunk-hse-5271830-Nov2020/

More info PCR test claims

It’s very worrying. I wasn’t able to secure online deliveries back in the first peak, and used my local chain convenience store (to minimise the risk of shopping in supermarkets where more people are.)

It kept having to close because staff where testing positive / having to isolate. There wasn’t enough staff in our large city to keep it open, they had people being sent to different stores from all over the place and shops closing all other the place.

It’s not just about covid deaths, people need to be well enough to do essential jobs, such as keeping shops open, delivering goods etc etc

Everyone of every race, every culture, no exceptions. Stop the mixing. Just stop.

I am actually thinking of all extended families regardless of culture.

You only had to see from the threads before Xmas from people stating they weren’t going to be told who they could mix with, the kids were devastated, the older generation were taking the risk to know this was going to happen

People ‘assessed their risk’ and decided it was very low. It is individually but unfortunately the outcome is higher numbers the other side. And there will be a group hug that could have avoided it by avoiding the mixing.

"IMO it would make sense to isolate the over 65s, and vulnerable people, and leave others to just get through it."

How do you isolate vulnerable parents of school-age children though (assuming schools are not closed)? I'm not against discussing possible shielding methods by the way - I know some on mn are - but I'm not sure how you would do that. On another thread I wondered idly whether the dc might not go to school and could be provided with dedicated online tutors and laptops until the parents are vaccinated - that might mean changing vaccination priorities so the parents are vaccinated straight away. Though not all will be able to have the vaccine - allergy or other issues.

(Or perhaps it was on this thread - I may be getting confused about which thread I'm on at the moment! In which case sorry for basically repeating my post)

Of the 47,164 new #covid19 cases reported in England today

2,361 were from tests taken yesterday (5%)
25,689 from Sunday (54%)
12,658 Saturday (27%)
436 Friday (1%)
1,627 Thursday (3%)
3,646 Wednesday (8%)
541 last Tuesday (1%)

Net +206 prior

Tests took an average of 3.2 days
mobile.twitter.com/avds/status/1343980616220610564

Way too many people thinking it won't possibly affect them. (And buying their lottery tickets, because it could be them...)

@x2boys

We had a lock down from November until December the 2nd and for a short while cases did go down I remember figures of around 11,000, the deaths we are seeing now are from cases of around 3/4 weeks ago ,they have repeatedly explained there is a time lag between positive cases and deaths .

The lockdown in Nov was too late and ended too early while numbers were still high and climbing in many areas. London should have come out in Tier 3 but was Tier 2. A reminder that only a week before Christmas Boris was adamant that the 5 days of Christmas with no restrictions would go ahead, schools were threatened with legal action for shutting and Kier Starmer accused of being a killjoy who wanted to cancel Christmas for suggesting the government review its position. Essentially Boris Johnson dithers and delays making decisions far too late and we are all paying the price.

People are, ultimately, selfish and will do what suits them not society.
It doesn't matter what the rules are, for some they will never apply.

@Northernsoulgirl45

www.thejournal.ie/kary-mullis-pcr-testing-factcheck-debunk-hse-5271830-Nov2020/

More info PCR test claims

This is a typical 'fact-checking' tactic that is factually correct but still not true. It does not distinguish between using PCR as a diagnostic tool to determine whether a sick patient i.e. case has c19 (as it was intended) and deploying it at 40 cycles at a population level to determine the prevalence of C19 'infections' (not as it was intended).

Again, the WHO has conceded that there are problems with false positives at a population level.

Remember, most test results from household Christmas mixing on 24/25/26th December won't be showing up yet. Average of 5.5 days from infection to symptoms, then another day or two to book and take a test and then another 3 days or so for a result, so around ten days. So most people who got infected over Christmas won't show in the stats until the first few days of January...

@CoffeeandCroissant

Remember, most test results from household Christmas mixing on 24/25/26th December won't be showing up yet. Average of 5.5 days from infection to symptoms, then another day or two to book and take a test and then another 3 days or so for a result, so around ten days. So most people who got infected over Christmas won't show in the stats until the first few days of January...

This. And that is worrying, because the cases being reported now are pre Christmas, so high levels of virus, before all the household mixing

The only thing this thread is telling me is that people only hear what they want to hear.

The Govt. was advised in September that if there wasn’t a total lockdown, including schools and learning establishments, then by Christmas, we would be in crisis with an overwhelmed NHS.

And now, SAGE is saying DO NOT REOPEN SCHOOLS so what’s Johnson doing? Staggering the opening of schools.

I’m beginning to think this Govt. want to kill us all. Cull the population/the working class/poor/vulnerable.

While very worrying it is mostly backlog. Rightly or wrongly a lot of people got tested before Christmas (I say wrongly because I bet not all had symptoms). Specimen date of 21st dec was extremely high but looks like it’s falling overall since then.
Wales meanwhile looks like it peaked a week or so before that.

Ignorant lazy trolls

Do you understand what a troll is? A person who doesn't share your viewpoint isn't a troll. The save lives at any cost brigade aren't very nice are they. The insults hurled at "covid deniers" (or, people with an opposing point of view) are quite something.

On www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/local
It says: "The daily increase today for the Scotland and Northern Ireland local areas include 5 days worth of data".
So is this a true figure or would some cases from the 24th-29th be included in todays?
(far from a covid denier by the way, just a liker of properly interpreted data)

I’d love to see a breakdown of the 50,000 cases in terms of age, region and how they caught it. Is this being spread largely in hospitals or homes? Are a lot of these cases being spread between family members who caught covid from a child who caught it at school?

This thread is petrifying but maybe that’s what it takes for some to take note.

We have followed the rules. I was secretly pleased that my son didn’t get to go to the Everton v Manchester City game last night ( 2,000 names randomly chosen ) as we have been so bloody careful all year.

I’ve told mine ( year 5 and year 13 ) to expect some changes to school/college from next week. I would be extremely surprised if our schools and colleges open on Monday. “Luckily” for us, dp lost his job last week and I’m a SAHM as I’m sick.

I don’t want my kids missing out on so much, especially the year 13 one but I don’t want teachers being effectively forced into work to teach, it’s not fair.

Yes I agree there are some issues with false positives but there are false negatives too.

Obviously anecdotal but in our area we have been asked to take tests as we have secondary age dc.
I know of at least 5 families personally who took these tests and not one positive. Both dd1 and I were full if cold (my asthma cough was worse than nornal) and not one positive. Neither was I positive when I last had a test.
The only people I know to test positive have felt unwell. One a 40 something Nurse in excellent health has just been admitted to hospital.