53,000 cases today

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Shit

@alreadytaken

Deaths are still reflecting the last lot of restriction, the big increases will come in a few weeks time because the pipes in some hospitals cant cope with the demand for oxygen and the country is running out of places to send patients when the hospitals get overwhelmed.

Amazes me how people need to deny what is happening, I guess they are mentally too fragile to cope with reality.

Exactly is is a self preservation thing for a lot of people.

We all cope differently. So if people are in denial you have to let them be some times. It is their brains way of coping. We are all different.

@MrsHedgeLegs

Tests are inaccurate.

are these the test that schools are meant to be using? If they are not accurate what is the point?

I see the deniers and minimisers are out in force on this thread.

Go and read the London hospitals thread and hear from staff out there on the front line and educate yourselves about what is really happening here. What you are saying is so offensive to people working on the covid wards.

I'm sure there's a script for the deniers. It's always the same.
Blah blah false positives.
Blah blah Sweden.
Blah blah hospitals are busy every winter.
Blah blah only old and sick expendable people die.

No engagement with posts that give factual information, but instead provide dodgy graphs some covid denier on twitter has created to support his agenda.

As one ICU nurse on that other thread said, it's relentless and wearing for people like her to be out there trying to save lives and then keyboard warriors telling her she's making it all up and it's a great big hoax dreamed up by the government cos Tories just love trashing their economy. And so do the rest of the world, evidently.

I'm done with this. Done. My 40 something friend is fighting for her life in ICU and I am bloody done.

I do wish we had been able to access testing in the late winter and spring (I had clinically diagnosed covid as I was not eligible for a test and it was also the point where it was practically impossible to get any medical attention unless you could not string a sentence together and your lips were turning blue (I finally saw a doctor five weeks in when I was still in serious pain and breathless)). We have no idea how high cases were at that point. Not trying to dismiss the concerns now, just saying we don’t have a comparator, really.

Also, I wonder if more people are being treated earlier now or better? In other words, are we comparing like for like with hospital admissions? Or are people being left struggling at home again? (I hope not, it was pretty grim). I would hope that treatment has improved with time (although I don’t doubt what is being said about oxygen shortages and long queues to get into hospital; I also think we were quite lucky in spring in so far as summer helped a lot in terms of the virus naturally going down).

Protect the vulnerable & let the rest carry on with our lives

Or in other words only white, well-off, healthy, thin people are allowed to live exactly how they please while everyone else has to be isolated / locked away.

Let's call this racist, disablist bullshit out for what it is.

Also, many essential services are provided by those with 'underlying conditions' and for some jobs (doctors, teachers etc) it takes years to train so we can't just magic up replacements.

@Haffiana

Wot - has no-one been along yet to say that 'MN loves doom and gloom' and that 'ppl are wetting themselves with excitement' and 'posters are just hoping it will get worse'?

Surely we can expect the usual suspects to complain - or have they finally fucked off back to Hunland?

I’m not saying that but the hysteria on this thread is ridiculous. You’d think WW3 had just been announced from reading some of the responses.

The WHO said the PCR test gives too many false positives at cycles of 35+. UK uses 40.

CDC said PCR test can pick up old viruses such as the common cold.

Cases are not patients. You increase testing you will get more cases. A minority will be very sick with it but the vast majority won’t because they won’t have a current infection and maybe never did.

The hospitals are always in crisis during flu season.

My whole family had to get tests before Xmas - we were strongly encouraged to by DDs secondary school. DH and youngest DD tested positive but yet they are all fine, zero symptoms. Other parents I’ve spoken to are reporting the same.

I don’t doubt that hospitals are struggling, they do every year and clearly COVID won’t help matters. However, the and this hysterical over reaction on case numbers is becoming embarrassing. Do we have a pandemic or a casedemic now??

MadHairDay and everyone else with friends and relatives in iCU

@Randominternetbitch

My whole family had to get tests before Xmas - we were strongly encouraged to by DDs secondary school. DH and youngest DD tested positive but yet they are all fine, zero symptoms. Other parents I’ve spoken to are reporting the same.

I don’t doubt that hospitals are struggling, they do every year and clearly COVID won’t help matters. However, the and this hysterical over reaction on case numbers is becoming embarrassing. Do we have a pandemic or a casedemic now??

Casedemic is not a thing.

So if people are in denial you have to let them be some times. It is their brains way of coping. We are all different

I don’t think it’s denial to not post in same way as others do with shit! Omg! And all that. It’s seems so ott to freak out every time numbers go up. They’ll go up. Maybe they expect it more so opposite of denial.

Not in denial.

But there is a whole spectrum between a total denial of Covid even existing, and working yourself into a frothing, anxious mess about these figures.

Who was it who said there were lies, damned lies, and statistics? Because they were right. Everyone's comparing apples with oranges and drawing conclusions. And since February on this forum there has been a hardcore desperation to outdo everyone else in predictions about how awful it's all going to be, and a perverse "i told you so" mentality about everything. Anyone who says they take the figures with a pinch of salt, or don't immediately default to worst-case scenario thinking is a covid denier, a covidiot, deluded, a Pollyanna, or just a bit thick.

I shall leave you all now to your competitive misery and apocalpytic scenarios, as many of you obviously get off on that sort of thing.

Hospital admissions are the key measure and even then, the government are not being clear about how they are measuring this - a "covid death" is a death from any cause within 28 days of a positive test which is not the same as a death caused by Covid.

I'm not sure why this is a comfort to you. It just means the people who last longer than 28 days from positive test are not counted.

[quote MrsHedgeLegs]@x2boys just saying I had a positive test. So you’re right I may not have had COVID-19 at all. Research into how accurate Oct tests are. The inventor of them has said they’re not designed for this purpose[/quote]
Yes they have flaws, but they also give false negatives, but I don't think that fits your agenda, does it.

The hospitals are always in crisis during flu season.

They are, but the big fear this year was a bad flu season in conjunction with Covid, however flu rates have been very low and it's not a bad flu season. Also, the worst months are January and February. We're not even out of December yet.

It's a serious situation with the hospitals. The government have been asleep at the wheel again.

nouser senior charge nurse (think this was his position) this am London’s hospital said his hospital had almost no flu patients at all so far - all Covid.

@SabrinaTheMiddleAgedBitch

A good friend of DH is a paramedic and he was stuck for well over an hour and a half in A&E last night as ambulance crew cannot hand over a patient until they have been officially 'seen' and it was just too busy

Not in denial and know we have a bloody big problem. Some hospitals are definitely in big trouble at the moment and we need to lockdown down for a couple of weeks for sure.

However isn't that normal for a lot of hospitals in winter. My local hospital regularly has ambulance queues and people can wait for several hours to get handed other at times. It is probably the worst hospital in the country mind

For those on the front line seeing this before their eyes and those who have very ill friends or family .
I honestly don’t think some people will ever be able to accept what your saying.

@Belladonna12

Hospital admissions are the key measure and even then, the government are not being clear about how they are measuring this - a "covid death" is a death from any cause within 28 days of a positive test which is not the same as a death caused by Covid.

I'm not sure why this is a comfort to you. It just means the people who last longer than 28 days from positive test are not counted.

Exactly. And ONS show exactly how many have died of Covid - ie those with it as main cause on death certificate - and that is now over 80,000.

Stop with the of/with bollocks please.

@Nousernamesleftatall

The WHO said the PCR test gives too many false positives at cycles of 35+. UK uses 40.

CDC said PCR test can pick up old viruses such as the common cold.

Cases are not patients. You increase testing you will get more cases. A minority will be very sick with it but the vast majority won’t because they won’t have a current infection and maybe never did.

The hospitals are always in crisis during flu season.

Hmm and how often does your average hospital have multiple wards all full of patients with exactly the same diagnosis?

I won’t bother waiting for you to look it up because I can already tell you - never. That never happens.

Get your head out of your backside.

I don't know re denial and people not able to cope, I think much of it comes from personal experience.
Those who see life as fragile, maybe lost people close to us suddenly, or have been trying to get urgent medical care for a loved one and its not there, perhaps know what we are looking at? How fragile the link between life s d death is?

I don't know.

Speaking as one of the 53,000, I wonder whether numbers have in part shot up due to delays in processing tests. It took over 6 days to get my result.

@IloveJKRowling

Protect the vulnerable & let the rest carry on with our lives

Or in other words only white, well-off, healthy, thin people are allowed to live exactly how they please while everyone else has to be isolated / locked away.

Let's call this racist, disablist bullshit out for what it is.

Also, many essential services are provided by those with 'underlying conditions' and for some jobs (doctors, teachers etc) it takes years to train so we can't just magic up replacements.

All the white wealthy skinny people fucked off skiing or to sunny places a few weeks ago. Don't think you need to worry they are doing fine.

"Hospital admissions are the key measure and even then, the government are not being clear about how they are measuring this - a "covid death" is a death from any cause within 28 days of a positive test which is not the same as a death caused by Covid."

Hospital admission figures for covid are now people who test positive for covid, because they are tested on admission or people who test positive when in hospital. Bed counts include people who test positive while in hospital but there are increasingly fewer of them because routine work has to stop when your theatres are largely converted to covid ICUs again.

Covid "deaths within 28 days" understate deaths as more die of covid after 28 days than die of something else within 28 days.

Hospitals have never before been facing a situation where there may be no beds anywhere in the country and they are unable to supply oxygen to those who need it.

If covid deniers persist in acting on their fantasies they will soon be in hospital facing reality, because the new variant is very infectious. I'd rather hospitals didnt have any more pressures than they have now so forlorn hope though it is you have to keep trying to get through to them.

How many people when they got together over Xmas actually wore masks as they were advised to do. Not very many I'm sure!

If cases are this high now then in a couple of weeks deaths are going to be sky high!

I hope their Xmas day was worth it!