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Announcement tomorrow what are youre predictions?

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Amira19 · 29/12/2020 14:25

PM is due to make an announcement tomorrow what are youre predictions. I suspect larges area of the North moving from tier 3 to tier 4 and potentially tier 5 (closing schools) in London. Personally I think a full lockdown like March is required too many are mixing between the tiers and thats all those posting in social media.

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maddiemookins16mum · 29/12/2020 22:40

@eviesmum

Full lock down for month of January
This. I cannot WFH (I’d love to but cannot). In March and April the streets were deserted as I drove home from my empty office (usually 100 people, now 3). There was very little traffic around, people were ‘staying at home’. As soon as we got to June, it all went to pot. Too many people are not taking it seriously enough.
CuteBear · 29/12/2020 22:41

What’s the difference between tier 4 and lockdown? People on MN need to stop pleading the gov for more restrictions.

MercyBooth · 29/12/2020 22:41

I’d like to see bubbles tightened

Use your brain for heavens sake. Of course there will be more bubbles. A lot of elderly/disabled people will have cancelled the care workers that come to their homes because they assumed they would be with family at Christmas only for Boris and Chums to change things at the eleventh hour. So there may well be a few more bubbles now, Also do you really want unpaid carers (the ones who help to prop up the NHS by making it a lot less likely that the one they care for will have to go to hospital) to down tools NOW?

Carers are amongst those who have these support bubbles. Be very VERY careful what you wish for.

ForeverInADay · 29/12/2020 22:42

I don't think Boris can learn from his mistakes. The man does everything too late. He has a history of leaving decisions until there is only one choice left to make. Remember his announcements back in March as to how mass events could continue and schools could stay open? Only a week or so later he had to go back on both. A self aware person would learn from that...and from the thousands of extra deaths the delay in action led to.

In reality (and this is going to hit families hard, including mine) I think secondaries AND primaries need to close in all Tier 3 and 4 areas (at minimum). Ideally for 4 weeks whilst the vaccination programme gets underway AND test and trace finally gets organised so it's not a complete debacle.

At the same time, in those tiers, garden centres should shut and non essential visits in homes should be banned (decorators, estate agents, cleaners, etc.)

formerEUcitizen · 29/12/2020 22:42

Some stuff added about putting more areas in tier 4, although confusingly it says relatively low number areas

PurpleDaisies · 29/12/2020 22:43

@CuteBear

What’s the difference between tier 4 and lockdown? People on MN need to stop pleading the gov for more restrictions.
Even though that’s what people who know what they’re talking about ie properly qualified scientists are saying we need?

Sorry, I will stop listening to those people and start listening to random posters.

RedToothBrush · 29/12/2020 22:44

Tier 4 approved for parts of the SW and Cumbria according to the Times (must be noted here that Cumbria is currently still only T2).

Theres also particular concern about the West Midlands.

So this doesn't sound like T4 is being proposed for all of the country from this.

But it does say that higher restrictions for the whole country in the weeks ahead are inevitable. So it strikes me that not putting everywhere in T4 (or higher) is just delaying the inevitable anyway.

Also secondary schools reopening being delayed due to logistics not being ready and some schools actively deciding to boycott the mass testing proposals.

Its silent about primary schools.

PHE is reporting that 54% more contacts of those trace from a known case are developing covid, compared to earlier in the pandemic.

And we uk has recieved (as in the nhs has) enough Pfizer doses to carry on vaccinating at the rate so far.

But a notable silence on Oxford vaccine too.

The Guardian is also talking about the creation of T5, so that is now looking likely.

The press this week has been preparing the uk public for bad news tomorrow.

And whilst Williamson has been desperate to keep school open, the news today is now making it politically untenable.

So i do think we will see T5 with schools closed. If only to keep the veneer of being able to say they are keeping as many schools open as possible. But it still looks like we might avoid T4 everywhere.

And I still think we might see a new year's eve curfew in some places.

And yep. I think Oxford could be announced tomorrow. If its not i think i may start to get slightly nervous.

Announcement tomorrow what are youre predictions?
RedToothBrush · 29/12/2020 22:45

The Sun is reporting T4 for Lancashire too.

Pastanred · 29/12/2020 22:47

Forever

I’m tier 3

No school in my area had a case in December

Hospitals are at 1/4 capacity do why the hell should our schools close?!!

Pastanred · 29/12/2020 22:48

Red I’m lancs so that’s a piss take if true as my area is 170/100,000

PurpleDaisies · 29/12/2020 22:49

Tier 4 approved for parts of the SW and Cumbria according to the Times (must be noted here that Cumbria is currently still only T2).

Cumbria has a higher proportion of the new variant and their cases have been shooting up. They really ought to have been in tier 3 (at least) last time.

Announcement tomorrow what are youre predictions?
PandemicPavolova · 29/12/2020 22:49

Red, thank you, does it mention Cheshire, Merseyside area at all!

RedToothBrush · 29/12/2020 22:49

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/nhs-could-face-horrendous-choices-over-who-gets-coronavirus-care?CMP=share_btn_tw

Guardian article talking about T5 announcement by Hancock

BungleandGeorge · 29/12/2020 22:49

All the reports I have read say that the SAGE advice to shut schools is for secondary schools not primary. I for one would really like to see what it does say so hope the unions force their hand to publish it

Sertchgi123 · 29/12/2020 22:50

@Littleposh

I predict mumsnet becomes hysterical, more so than normal
You win!
formerEUcitizen · 29/12/2020 22:50

Much of South-West currently t2 also and article mentions relatively low number of cases (certainly compared to t4 areas) so going to be a shock to put those areas in t4.

Emmie12345 · 29/12/2020 22:52

Anyone know which parts of Sw going into t4?

Emmie12345 · 29/12/2020 22:53

Cases have hugely increased in Cornwall and we have one hospital only

RedToothBrush · 29/12/2020 22:53

Have a look at the Guardian map for hotspots. The places mentioned above seem to tally with where there is a vague talk about T4.

Lancashire isn't looking great from that map. There is a hotspot in the SW too.

Theres also one or two other places that look bad...

Merseyside looks ok for now (though not Warrington) from that map.

BungleandGeorge · 29/12/2020 22:54

Hospitals at 1/4 capacity? Really?? They plan for hospitals to be at around 95% capacity for efficiency reasons so I find it very hard to believe that there are hospitals out there with 3 beds empty to every one filled

Pastanred · 29/12/2020 22:55

Well I can tell you there are

Even Liverpool right now has covid beds 1:3 that they had last month

PandemicPavolova · 29/12/2020 22:55

Thanks

Amira19 · 29/12/2020 23:00

getwhatyougive we weren't talking about that travelling pantomime but one in York Tier 2 that people from Tier 3 travelled to see.

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littlemisslozza · 29/12/2020 23:01

92 cases per 100000 people here. Tier 2 rural area. I sincerely hope we don't end up in a full lockdown. Maybe moving up to tier 3 would be sensible but not tier 4.

whereismormonjesus · 29/12/2020 23:02

Wish they’d hurry up and put Manchester and Brum in Tier 4.

Brum will be in a right state in week or two. I also think it’d be daft if they put Brum in Tier 4 and left Manchester in Tier 3, as Manchester will probably be where Brum is now in a week. If this pathetic government act when the trend first changes rather than waiting until tipping point there would be a lot less grieving families around. Trafford (a borough in Greater Manchester) has had a 69% increase in a week. It’s fucking ridiculous and Boris needs to pull his finger out. If Brum goes Tier 4 tomorrow and Manchester doesn’t (but less populated areas surrounding it do, such as Lancashire) I’ll be properly fucked off.

Andy Burnham will no doubt have another temper tantrum if they dare suggest T4 for Manchester.