Why are we not going into full lockdown again?

[MyLifeNow20]

Im finding it difficult to understand. I work in a preschool and have a child in YR1.
Personally I think we need to go into lockdown like march but why are we not?
I guess the cost. Why are Boot, the range and shops like that still open, there is no need!

Also boots sell medications/prescriptions so should be open. The range has food in it I know at least 2 that have Iceland’s inside. B and M etc sell tinned food and medication such as paracetamol which is needed. Not everyone can get to a supermarket or afford supermarket prices the range/B&M are usually cheaper.*

And also that would mean everyone going to supermarkets for everything, meaning more over crowding.

If I run out of essentials like bread and milk, I'd rather try Poundland which is never over crowded, than my local supermarket, which is full of stressed people crowding in aisles or huge queues outside if they bother trying to limit numbers again.

‘I find the desperate baying for lockdown and suicide-inducing closures very depressing and also confusing.
I wonder what sort of lives people have that they are so keen to shut them down.’

My thoughts exactly!

What is hard to understand that lockdown equals job losses and god knows what else in the economy!!!! It’s time we all suck it up and get on with our lives again.

BeeDavis

What is hard to understand that lockdown equals job losses and god knows what else in the economy!!!! It’s time we all suck it up and get on with our lives again.

This!!

@Jkrowling92

‘I find the desperate baying for lockdown and suicide-inducing closures very depressing and also confusing. I wonder what sort of lives people have that they are so keen to shut them down.’

My thoughts exactly!

Myself, I like having a life. Especially a life that means I can watch my kids grow up. I am CEV and very much want to survive to have the vaccine. As opposed to dying alone in a hospital somewhere decades too early. Seems a reasonable wish to me.

Apart from that, I do not want my kids to be living in even more of a dystopian nightmare, with an even more wrecked NHS in terms of hospital provision. My son has an urgent health appointment next week, tertiary level care, and I want hospitals to deliver that sort of thing.

I want the government to listen to mainstream medical & scientific opinion.

I do not want ill and exhausted HCPs and teachers driven away from public services in droves because of the shoddy way they are treated.

I do not want this country to be even more the laughing stock of Europe because of tens of thousands of needless deaths again (as in the spring) and even more I do not want those people to die. Unable to breathe and alone.

Thank about it. You Know I'm Right

@MrsMomoa

BeeDavis

What is hard to understand that lockdown equals job losses and god knows what else in the economy!!!! It’s time we all suck it up and get on with our lives again.

This!!

We can't just pretend there's no pandemic and Get On With Things.

It Won't Work.

Sorry.

@herecomesthsun

Well it isn't going anywhere is it?
We need to learn to live with it!

All lockdowns are doing is ruining the economy.

herecomesthesun you might be clinically vulnerable, but most of us aren’t. You need us to keep working and paying tax to fund the NHS that you particularly need.

You are just weeks away from a vaccine. The onus should be on you to keep yourself self for that time, rather than expecting millions of people to make unnecessary sacrifices.
We have to think of the bigger picture here - the majority of people will recover fully from Covid, and those people should be allowed to live and work, and keep the economy going. Without this there will be no NHS, and all the clinically vulnerable people will die anyway.

To quote you “think about it, you know I’m right”

Well it isn't going anywhere is it?
We need to learn to live with it!

Jesus.

We will be going into lookdown wont we? Surely that's what Boris is going to be telling us on the 30th? Maybe just the south initially followed by everyone as figures rise as they are starting to do even in other parts. Schools too. There will be more serious incidents announced from hospitals today, very high infection figures announced. The newspaper headlines even from today are preparing us for lockdown, tomorrow will be worse and bam! tier five or lockdown. Same deal.

To deal with some of the points on this thread.

As pp's have pointed out, Boots is a pharmacy, although if you walk past one of the large ones you may only see make-up and perfumes by the entrance.

Ofcom have not banned broadcasters from challenging the covid narrative. They have said that if they do, they have to do so with care. In no universe is that the same as a ban.

There is no need to ban outdoor exercise and it won't happen.

Reporters can go anywhere to report anything - it's up to them if they choose not to because of the "optics" - anyone with common sense knows they have to go to places to report things as part of their job.

While hospital admissions are high - are they now taking everyone who needs medical help, rather than keeping everyone away until it's too late like they did in April?

And I very much doubt a pharmacist caught covid from a shopper - they don't let you get anywhere near enough to them to catch anything.

@Bagamoyo1

herecomesthesun you might be clinically vulnerable, but most of us aren’t. You need us to keep working and paying tax to fund the NHS that you particularly need. You are just weeks away from a vaccine. The onus should be on you to keep yourself self for that time, rather than expecting millions of people to make unnecessary sacrifices. We have to think of the bigger picture here - the majority of people will recover fully from Covid, and those people should be allowed to live and work, and keep the economy going. Without this there will be no NHS, and all the clinically vulnerable people will die anyway.

To quote you “think about it, you know I’m right”

Nah.

Listen to Chris Whitty on this.

We have to prioritise health AND the economy.

So yes, people need to work, but no we can't go back to how things were just yet.

And yes, we need to keep on being careful, and unfortunately, it IS necessary,

You're quite right, we need the NHS and of course it would keep going in a lockdown and we need to listen to the medical consensus about how best to support it.

so you haven't quite got there yet.

[quote MrsMomoa]@herecomesthsun

Well it isn't going anywhere is it?
We need to learn to live with it!

All lockdowns are doing is ruining the economy.[/quote]
No the economy can't function as normal in a pandemic.

We need to manage the health aspect well in order to provide adequate support for the economy

It's not really that hard a concept.

herecomesthesun you do know that the “NHS” isn’t an amorphous creature that functions independently of the rest of society don’t you? It’s made up of people, who have children, who need to go to school. And if they aren’t at school then these people, these “NHS” will have to stay at home and look after them. So your son’s clinic appointment gets cancelled because the doctors and nurses and clinic clerks are at home teaching their 5 years olds phonics.

And those that don’t have children are off sick with stress and depression, because their lives are crap now, and the ones that are still working are beyond exhausted.

The solution is not further lockdowns, to drive the country further into recession, and individuals further into depression.

It is selfish to want the whole nation to shut down to protect you and your family. That’s your job. Lock yourself down by all means, but not the rest of us.

you do know that the “NHS” isn’t an amorphous creature that functions independently of the rest of society don’t you? It’s made up of people, who have children, who need to go to school. And if they aren’t at school then these people, these “NHS” will have to stay at home and look after them. So your son’s clinic appointment gets cancelled because the doctors and nurses and clinic clerks are at home teaching their 5 years olds phonics

Rubbish. Schools never stopped providing Key Worker care for NHS staff.

What is more worrying, is that if schools open as before, and become riddled with covid due to the scrapping of the proper self-isolation periods, schools won’t be able to offer ANY key worker provision due to lack of staff. Then the hospitals will be in trouble.

In a planned school closure, what you describe will never happen.

@Fedup21

you do know that the “NHS” isn’t an amorphous creature that functions independently of the rest of society don’t you? It’s made up of people, who have children, who need to go to school. And if they aren’t at school then these people, these “NHS” will have to stay at home and look after them. So your son’s clinic appointment gets cancelled because the doctors and nurses and clinic clerks are at home teaching their 5 years olds phonics

Rubbish. Schools never stopped providing Key Worker care for NHS staff.

What is more worrying, is that if schools open as before, and become riddled with covid due to the scrapping of the proper self-isolation periods, schools won’t be able to offer ANY key worker provision due to lack of staff. Then the hospitals will be in trouble.

In a planned school closure, what you describe will never happen.

Absolutely. It's much better to have key worker provision than complete random closures on repeat. This was exactly the situation Hull found itself in, because they WEREN'T allowed to go to a key worker only model.

@herecomesthsun how much does your behaviour change from lockdown compared to less restrictions. Presumably you still do online shopping given supermarkets are hot beds for infection. You must homeschool your child because schools are too. I’m just thinking how much do lockdowns actually change how you have to live. You can’t see the virus so you have to be on high alert no matter what the rest of society does. Lockdowns on the other hand for others means job losses, stress about feeding their families and everything else that comes with it. I think the government needs to be funnelling resources into those who are clinically vulnerable so they can isolate safely and comfortably. As for everyone else the economy needs to get going again.

The thing with schools and hospitals is more to do with a Tory goverment cutting spending for over a decade. Hospitals are always overstretched this time of year. Schools deal with the social problems of parents who don’t have jobs or jobs that don’t pay enough to support a family. Covid has put a spot light on these problems but they aren’t new. Nurses, teachers and doctors have been leaving in droves even before this pandemic.

@Fedup21

you do know that the “NHS” isn’t an amorphous creature that functions independently of the rest of society don’t you? It’s made up of people, who have children, who need to go to school. And if they aren’t at school then these people, these “NHS” will have to stay at home and look after them. So your son’s clinic appointment gets cancelled because the doctors and nurses and clinic clerks are at home teaching their 5 years olds phonics

Rubbish. Schools never stopped providing Key Worker care for NHS staff.

What is more worrying, is that if schools open as before, and become riddled with covid due to the scrapping of the proper self-isolation periods, schools won’t be able to offer ANY key worker provision due to lack of staff. Then the hospitals will be in trouble.

In a planned school closure, what you describe will never happen.

Not all schools opened to key workers in March. And school transport wasn’t provided.

Not all schools opened to key workers in March. And school transport wasn’t provided.

No, I'm afraid they did. If they didn't, it was because they didn't have enough staff well enough to work, or they restricted places to families with 2 key worker places, which I think is fair enough, or too many people take the piss. What sort of school transport do you mean, as this is never the decision of a school. School transport runs at the behest of the LA so take your ire there. You are posting things that aren't true.

jk is absolute right. The problems with the NHS relate to chronic lack of funding.
I plan to quit as soon as I can afford to, as do pretty much all my GP colleagues. None of us will work to retirement age if we can possibly help it. I know several qualified nurses in their 40s who have left nursing due to pay and conditions.
This has been the situation for years.
The NHS is being overwhelmed now, not because of Covid, but because it can’t function on such a tight budget. How tight do you think the budget will be when we sink into lockdown-induced recession? If you think it’s bad now, you have no idea how bad it’ll get in future.

@Barbie222

Not all schools opened to key workers in March. And school transport wasn’t provided.

No, I'm afraid they did. If they didn't, it was because they didn't have enough staff well enough to work, or they restricted places to families with 2 key worker places, which I think is fair enough, or too many people take the piss. What sort of school transport do you mean, as this is never the decision of a school. School transport runs at the behest of the LA so take your ire there. You are posting things that aren't true.

I am a single parent and a doctor. There was no school place for my primary school child at their local school, and no means of getting him to and from a different school when I was working. My secondary school child gets a school bus, and the bus service stopped. I’m not sure how you can say I’m posting things that aren’t true. I’m just stating my experience.

@Bagamoyo1 the issue about transport surely is your problem to solve? I am not really sure what you are asking for here. You had a place at a hub. Your elder child had a place at school. It's likely to be the same again soon. If this is the thing you are being asked to sort yourself to help the huge issue we're all facing together maybe it's time to look around for solutions. We're all in the same boat, I need to be in work at 7.30 and can't drop child before 9 for key worker place so have to make adjustments to day.

I work in a school related area but not teaching. We had less than half our usual number of schools open back in the first lockdown. I’m very aware of this as it was my job to collate the figures each week.

Also, if the Ofcom information is true and there isn’t a block on reporting some information, why have I just been banned from our local paper website after asking for some context around their reporting of numbers and if they thought the media were fuelling the scaremongering.

There were definitely schools that didn't offer key worker provision in the March lockdown. I know for a fact that they didn't.

One was DS' old primary school where I still know lots of parents there and the other was my friend's daughter's school who didn't operate key worker places and she (NHS) had to take her to another primary school.

I'm not sure how posters can confidently contradict posters who recount their experiences. You must understand that you don't know what every school across the whole of the UK did? Unless you're Gavin in disguise!

@AnneElliott

There were definitely schools that didn't offer key worker provision in the March lockdown. I know for a fact that they didn't.

One was DS' old primary school where I still know lots of parents there and the other was my friend's daughter's school who didn't operate key worker places and she (NHS) had to take her to another primary school.

I'm not sure how posters can confidently contradict posters who recount their experiences. You must understand that you don't know what every school across the whole of the UK did? Unless you're Gavin in disguise!

It's wrong to say that key worker places weren't offered. They had to be, it was the law. In many areas it was not economical to set this up in every school due to costs. Therefore hubs were offered. Not sure whats wrong with not wasting money if the only complaint is that a few people didn't want the bother of going to a hub. You can't now turn around and criticise schools for not offering key worker places when these decisions were made at county level. It just fuels a lazy schools narrative, which I don't put it past posters here to do. If you don't see that you're being disingenuous.