Why are we not going into full lockdown again?

[MyLifeNow20]

Im finding it difficult to understand. I work in a preschool and have a child in YR1.
Personally I think we need to go into lockdown like march but why are we not?
I guess the cost. Why are Boot, the range and shops like that still open, there is no need!

Will there be any announcements today or are they just reviewing the tiers tomorrow and doing the Brexit vote and trying to swerve the other problems looming till NYE?
It seems we're all picking up odd bits of news about the current situation etc but the government have gone a bit quite where covid is concerned regarding schools and the figures which are grim.

@DfEisashambles there have been daily multiple threads on here about people lamenting that the vaccine means a return to ‘normal’ life. These lockdowns make the gap between the rich and the poor even wider.

@DfEisashambles

London School of Hygiene and Medicine too have tried to make the gov’t understand to no avail.

They won't listen till it's too late I suppose. They are all back tomorrow for the Brexit vote in Parliament.

@jillypill there are probably a few, but for most of us it’s something to be endured.

It’s wrong to make it into ‘you enjoy lockdown’ argument for people genuinely wanting to lockdown for the right reasons. It’s tiring and pathetic.

@the80sweregreat

Honestly makes me so angry that they won’t be clear and make the fucking announcement. I’m sick of DC asking me ‘so whats it going to be mum?’

It’s causing them stress not knowing whether they’re going back or not.

[quote DfEisashambles]@jillypill there are probably a few, but for most of us it’s something to be endured.

It’s wrong to make it into ‘you enjoy lockdown’ argument for people genuinely wanting to lockdown for the right reasons. It’s tiring and pathetic.[/quote]
Open your eyes. Many people on here do enjoy lockdown.

StylishMummy
Because we can't keep fucking sacrificing the many many lives impacted by a lockdown for the very very few who'll die of this illness. It's a ridiculous state of affairs to be crowing for a lockdown when there are millions of families who can't afford one!

Totally agree. Also lockdown won’t stop the 40% of patients who got covid whilst in hospital and are being treated for something else.

It’s funny isn’t it that there’s no flu anymore and when you say that people say it’s because of mask wearing and social distancing so by that logic covid should have been reduced. Or could it be those that were susceptible to flu are to covid?

“This! It amazes me how people lack any critical thinking when it comes to the government's measures and restrictions in relation to Covid response. People do not trust them on a variety of domestic issues but take everything they are feeding us re Covis as truth. Why are none of the mainstream media running stories from other experts who say lockdowns are unnecessary and actually causing more harm than good for all aspects of society? Because Ofcom has banned reporting of challenges to the Covid narrative!”

Totally agree and the ofcom ban is correct and put in place as part of an emergency response . Think of how everything the government does is criticised and analysed yet very little of this is happening today . Healthy debate, asking the difficult questions would build the trust that the government needs

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

Why are none of the mainstream media running stories from other experts who say lockdowns are unnecessary and actually causing more harm than good for all aspects of society?

Because there are next to no reputable scientists saying that, and even those who argue for somewhat different measures are not saying there should be none. And that's global, not just UK

Because Ofcom has banned reporting of challenges to the Covid narrative!

Yeah, right

Next to no reputable scientists? Search for the Great Barrington declaration and tell me these aren't "reputable: That's if you can find it as Ofcom are doing a job to censor anything against lockdowns.

@Nerdygirl

“This! It amazes me how people lack any critical thinking when it comes to the government's measures and restrictions in relation to Covid response. People do not trust them on a variety of domestic issues but take everything they are feeding us re Covis as truth. Why are none of the mainstream media running stories from other experts who say lockdowns are unnecessary and actually causing more harm than good for all aspects of society? Because Ofcom has banned reporting of challenges to the Covid narrative!”

Totally agree and the ofcom ban is correct and put in place as part of an emergency response . Think of how everything the government does is criticised and analysed yet very little of this is happening today . Healthy debate, asking the difficult questions would build the trust that the government needs

Exactly. There is no opposition in parliament, media aren't asking difficult questions. This doesn't feel like a democracy anymore.

@UnmentionedElephantDildo do you consider the WHO pretty reputable as they have stated that lockdowns are not an effective way of controlling this

[quote Nicknacky]@MyLifeNow20 So will you manage ok if you are required in at work? Or will you send your child in on a keyworker place?[/quote]
I would have to send her in to school if I had to work

Does anyone feel as though we’re all being played?

Like the government are toying with our anxiety and uncertainty.

Open your eyes. Many people on here do enjoy lockdown

Is that a wind up @southeastdweller?

if you think people actually enjoy lockdowns

Yes there are lots of people that actually enjoyed lockdown, they were usually those who got full pay with no kids or caring responsibilities, i happen to know quite a few who had a lovely spring and summer, pottering in the garden going, for walks, having bbqs etc.

@Elephant4

Open your eyes. Many people on here do enjoy lockdown

Is that a wind up @southeastdweller?

No, it isn't. I've been reading the threads pretty much daily for months and there's always been people who say they've broadly enjoyed this situation. It's a minority of posters, it seems, but they're around.

The first lockdown was horrendous for us, trying to homeschool 4 children 2 with sen on my own as husband had to work and stay with his dad as 2 of our children had shielding letters.
Either way I feel like people are going to be screwed.
Either lockdown and its our mental health and economy that suffer.
Don't lockdown and cases in hospitals might be to much to cope.
Back in march my 4 year old was so poorly and I had to beg for her to be seen.
Like I said before I really don't know what is the answer, hopefully spring and different vaccines will help though and that's the only thing getting me through atm.

It’s wrong to make it into ‘you enjoy lockdown’ argument for people genuinely wanting to lockdown for the right reasons. It’s tiring and pathetic.

eh? I'm not against lockdowns although I'm aware of the downsides.
However that doesn't mean it's wrong to question those that do enjoy it. I've lost count of the number of posters who wanted lockdown to be "more like China@, it beggars belief.

@TheGreatSloth Sorry if someone's already asked you this (the app isn't great for skimming forward!) but do you know what % of occupancy is COVID related, or if those ICU occupancy figures are impacted by a halt on non-COVID treatments? I mean, last December I assume a lot of people in ICU would have been recovering from a scheduled heart bypass or something. If the current figure of 85+% has only been achieved by removing, say, 50% of the expected occupancy by cancelling all scheduled procedures to make space for COVID patients, I'd say the figures are still cause for concern. But I lost sight of what was going on with scheduled procedures etc. earlier in the year, and don't know if they're back up to normal capacity at the moment.

@AreTheySerious I would assume a pharmacist isn’t doing intimate personal care unlike care home staff or providing medical care like hospital staff.

I’m not saying she didn’t catch it from a customer but given that they are both masked up, at a distance and in contact for such a short amount of time then that makes that quite unlikely. You then say she passed it to other staff members so is it not more likely she caught it from a staff member then?

What other steps do you reasonably expect them to take in store?

How do you bury a crisis of your own making (Brexit)? You wait till the optimum moment (possibly NYE afternoon) and you declare a national tier 5 lockdown thus ensuring all the drama at the border is unreportable because those pesky reporters aren't on an 'essential' journey. Also, the masses are too busy worrying about how they're going to stop Johnny, age 5, destroying the house whilst they're on a zoom call, to notice that your wonderful Brexit deal is actually a disaster. And even if they do notice, you've got all those wonderful spin doctors telling anyone who'll listen that the lack of loo roll and the fact a bottle of Liebfraumilch now costs £25 is all down to the pandemic.

I’ve been a GP for 25 years and there hasn’t been one single winter when the hospitals weren’t on high alert. I remember as a junior hospital Dr in the early 90s, it was a regular occurrence for us to do late night ward rounds, aiming to discharge anyone who could possibly survive at home, due patients in A&E needing beds. Usually the media aren’t interested.
Comparing current (December) hospital cases with those in April is like comparing apples with oranges. Of course the numbers are higher in winter than spring.
I find the desperate baying for lockdown and suicide-inducing closures very depressing and also confusing.
I wonder what sort of lives people have that they are so keen to shut them down.

Please Can someone link to a credible news media outlet saying that actual SAGE are calling for a full lockdown now?

I can't find a whole genuine SAGE committee, or individual genuine SAGE member, making recommendation for full national Lockdown in England in last 3 weeks. Farar is predicting a dreadful near future, but I can't find his recent statement saying we should have full lockdown as a result.

I dont mind lockdowns - I have a nice house and a garden and both me and DH have jobs that you can easily work from home (indeed 1 day a week in the office has been the norm for me for years) and children who are old enough to be ok and not so old it hits them hard (Yrs 3 and 7)

I also get why lockdown could be needed to protect hospitals and the NHS

But I also fully understand the horrible nature of it as a tool to do so - not only for peoples mental health and the huge huge implication on economy and business. So we simply cannot keep on using it as a means to get through this because its consequences are incredibly far reaching and potentially long term.

The failure has always been to use the lockdown to achieve something alongside bringing down case numbers. getting testing/track and trace sorted for example.

This one needs to be alongside a proper vaccination programme and mass testing. As I have said I do think the Government are waiting for the MHRA to agree what dosage for Oxford Vaccine and I would expect it to be rolled in together.

We don't need to close boots (it's essential people can get their medications) or places selling food.
We need to sort out schools and the "essential" places where outbreaks happen (food factories, amazon warehouses and etc). Which IMO means they need to sort out regular mass testing. Fast.