Why are we not going into full lockdown again?

[MyLifeNow20]

Im finding it difficult to understand. I work in a preschool and have a child in YR1.
Personally I think we need to go into lockdown like march but why are we not?
I guess the cost. Why are Boot, the range and shops like that still open, there is no need!

I'm in a london, Tier 4. We're in lockdown already - there's nowhere to go except work, for a walk (or other exercise) or to the supermarket/boots etc. I'd go to work if I still had a job.....
It's all utterly soul destroying.

The huge rise in cases is unlikely to be caused by any of the above, it's much more likely to be from people mixing when they shouldn't be.

I don't see how any tighter lockdown is feasible or would help, other than closing schools for a few weeks.

"Currently we are at 40,000 cases per day

At peak estimates were that 100,000 got it per day so let’s have some perspective"

We have 40,000 positive tests a day; that is not the same as 100k infections a day. The ons survey on Christmas eve estimated 645k cases in the previous week which is pretty close to 100k a day and the infection rate is still climbing.

Let's attempt to get a grasp on statistics we quote before we patronise other posters.

@Indecisive12

Because numbers are not rising in all areas?

Cases are rising in 90% of boroughs.

Pootle the Irish pm asked that question and was told it’s a1/3 in hospital with other stuff but who are positive and not actually in for covid

That was couple weeks ago tho

Thanks @Pastanred.

Makes you wonder why those figures are not readily available though......surely we must record conditions being treated whether primary, secondary etc.....

I do find it rather strange when in November we went into lockdown with less cases and not a strain of virus that is supposed to be at least 50% more catching.
The problem is with these tiers is that tier 4s are next to tier 2s and 3s.
And there all mixing to go to work (understandably) but tier 4s are coming into tier 3 and 2s to do non essential shopping as they have in my town.
My town has gone from 50 in 100000 to 250 in 100000 In a few weeks.
I don't know what the answer is, but we all need to take personal responsibility thats for sure.

Personally I think they are waiting for the Oxford Vaccine - I expect an announcement will be drafted as a this is the final push with a plan of how to vaccine everyone that is needed alongside restrictions that need for it to happen.

But there is a catch to that - not all areas need a national lockdown so do you lockdown everything and vaccine equally or do you lockdown London/South East and prioritise vaccinations there with the military. Both options are potentially very difficult with the North/south divide

Also politically I dont think the November lockdown worked - it wasnt the right time for a nationwide one worked well in some areas barely had an affect in others

And the other problem of the fact there isnt much money to do this and actually sadly I think little appetite from people to follow. So really the only way is alongside an accelerated vaccine programme

People are no longer fearful, in fact many are sceptical that the virus is actually any more than flu
This.
People will simply not comply with more draconian measures -they are aren’t complying now.
People have seen that the amount of hospitalisations, let alone deaths is minuscule compared to the number of infections and us too small to compute in the under 40s. Mass testing had thrown up d as I many asymptomatic’cases’ that show it is hardly the plague scourge we were cowed by 9 months ago.
The media which thrives on panic is desperately trying to whip up fear with talking up ‘mutant strain’ ‘affecting children’ to keep the advertising revenue up.
Boris is riding on a wave of positivity now that Brexit is sorted /no way will he inflict more misery this year.
Hospitals are always full at this time of year /nothing new. As soon as the schools are back on the 11th there will be no more talk of school closures, they will fizzle out and with vaccinations covering the most likely demographic to suffer ill effects from CV there will be no need for more lockdowns.

Cos covid goes to sleep from 8pm. Just like it did from 10pm. 🙄 Curfews 🙄 people will just congregate inside houses... Thus defeating the object.
Some posters are positively salivating for a lockdown. Why is that? When do these posters imagine we will be released? Trusting this government is putting your eggs in a glass basket.

[quote BungleandGeorge]@MrsBlue4, this isn’t usually the busiest time of year because flu season is not in full swing until later on. Have you seen the admissions numbers for the last couple of weeks? Bed occupancy is approaching the peak in April, that’s not because the tests are wrong or people are getting tested more often, it’s because the number of infections is out of control in some areas[/quote]
According to the stats the numbers of beds occupied so far this winter are less than of this time last year...

Also heavily reported that higher usage of hospital beds than at the peak in April and 999 calls for ambulances due to people having breathing problems due to covid the same as in April. Manageable now but if they let it rip it won’t be unless they manage to vaccinate millions daily which, lets be clear this government isn’t capable of.

No one is aching for a lockdown for gods sake, anti lockdowners are actually the hysterical ones on these threads.

@Chimeraforce

Cos covid goes to sleep from 8pm. Just like it did from 10pm. 🙄 Curfews 🙄 people will just congregate inside houses... Thus defeating the object. Some posters are positively salivating for a lockdown. Why is that? When do these posters imagine we will be released? Trusting this government is putting your eggs in a glass basket.

This! It amazes me how people lack any critical thinking when it comes to the government's measures and restrictions in relation to Covid response. People do not trust them on a variety of domestic issues but take everything they are feeding us re Covis as truth. Why are none of the mainstream media running stories from other experts who say lockdowns are unnecessary and actually causing more harm than good for all aspects of society? Because Ofcom has banned reporting of challenges to the Covid narrative!

@EmmanuelleMakro

People are no longer fearful, in fact many are sceptical that the virus is actually any more than flu This. People will simply not comply with more draconian measures -they are aren’t complying now. People have seen that the amount of hospitalisations, let alone deaths is minuscule compared to the number of infections and us too small to compute in the under 40s. Mass testing had thrown up d as I many asymptomatic’cases’ that show it is hardly the plague scourge we were cowed by 9 months ago. The media which thrives on panic is desperately trying to whip up fear with talking up ‘mutant strain’ ‘affecting children’ to keep the advertising revenue up. Boris is riding on a wave of positivity now that Brexit is sorted /no way will he inflict more misery this year. Hospitals are always full at this time of year /nothing new. As soon as the schools are back on the 11th there will be no more talk of school closures, they will fizzle out and with vaccinations covering the most likely demographic to suffer ill effects from CV there will be no need for more lockdowns.

We bloody well know it isn't flu thanks. You would have to be pretty stupid to still be on that page.

We can also see that the NHS is bowing under the number of hospitalizations, which are not minuscule, either.

Boris is still a clown. Brexit is still a shambles.

It will be long months till vaccinations can be rolled out to all the vulnerable. And we have the worst of the winter yet to come.

Unbelievable piffle.

@MrsBlue4

Maybe people are listening to the scientists? As any sensible person would?

It amazes me that the people on mumsnet think they know more than the scientists / government etc

[quote herecomesthsun]@MrsBlue4

Maybe people are listening to the scientists? As any sensible person would?[/quote]
Scientists from SAGE only. What about other scientists who are more than qualified who are of the opinion that lockdowns don't work and are unnecessary and more harmful than good in the bigger picture? See Michael Levitt and Mike Yeadon for examples.

SAGE are urging lockdown which is being ignored by the government for as long as is possible as usual.

Some of you are really miserable. Just say you like to sit at home all day. Don’t act so high and mighty and pretend you’re concerned for people’s health. This constant state of lockdowns is damaging the economy which has plenty of downstream effects on many more people’s health for many more years.

Why are none of the mainstream media running stories from other experts who say lockdowns are unnecessary and actually causing more harm than good for all aspects of society?

Because there are next to no reputable scientists saying that, and even those who argue for somewhat different measures are not saying there should be none. And that's global, not just UK

Because Ofcom has banned reporting of challenges to the Covid narrative!

Yeah, right

London School of Hygiene and Medicine too have tried to make the gov’t understand to no avail.

@DfEisashambles

SAGE are urging lockdown which is being ignored by the government for as long as is possible as usual.

Of course.

We have a right-wing government that naturally aligns with business and does not want to put any block in the way of making money and prioritising the economy unless it's absolutely cornered

Just say you like to sit at home all day. Don’t act so high and mighty and pretend you’re concerned for people’s health.

Thing is in order to stay at home "safe" you need to rely on other people risking their health in order to facilitate that privilege unless you require no food deliveries & have your own heating, water, etc supplies.

@Jkrowling92 your reasoning is unhinged, if you think people actually enjoy lockdowns. Adults can accept its for the best and greater good with maturity, which your argument clearly lacks.

if you think people actually enjoy lockdowns.

I genuinely think some people do.

@Indecisive12

Because numbers are not rising in all areas?

Of the 314 LA's, only 24 currently show a weekly decrease in coronavirus cases.