Why are we not going into full lockdown again?

[MyLifeNow20]

Im finding it difficult to understand. I work in a preschool and have a child in YR1.
Personally I think we need to go into lockdown like march but why are we not?
I guess the cost. Why are Boot, the range and shops like that still open, there is no need!

@MyLifeNow20

Im finding it difficult to understand. I work in a preschool and have a child in YR1. Personally I think we need to go into lockdown like march but why are we not? I guess the cost. Why are Boot, the range and shops like that still open, there is no need!

Well. Lockdown for you will mean you will likely be at home so can look after your child. Guessing preschools won't be kept open as not essential education.

I'm alright jack.

I think the big mistake will be not allowing people outside to exercise.

I think there's an argument for closing parks etc as people stand around in closer contact for periods of time.

But walking outside is the lowest risk activity. And if they shut people up indoors you are going to get bigger problems as people will revolt at this point.

If they say no outdoor exercise I shall just walk to a supermarket daily (and one of the further ones). That's more mixing than when I walk the fields for hours!

@Neron

Lockdowns come with an economic, societal and mental health cost and there has to be a balance it’s not all about covid Well said. The inability of people to see this is shocking.

So we should listen to the scientists, because if we don't we end up with a bigger problem and might end up with a longer and less effective lockdown?

That seems to be what happened in March.

We don't seem to have learnt from it.

@itsgettingweird

I think the big mistake will be not allowing people outside to exercise.

I think there's an argument for closing parks etc as people stand around in closer contact for periods of time.

But walking outside is the lowest risk activity. And if they shut people up indoors you are going to get bigger problems as people will revolt at this point.

If they say no outdoor exercise I shall just walk to a supermarket daily (and one of the further ones). That's more mixing than when I walk the fields for hours!

Who said we won't be able to exercise?

Lockdowns are the only proven thing that does work. The lockdown has to be restrictive enough though and people have to adhere to it.

Where's the proof they work?

And a strict lockdown would never happen here because we're - thankfully - not compliant enough.

Anyone can fly into this country, from pretty much anywhere, and travel within the country to wherever they like. Untested. Unchecked. No quarantine.

Anyone in my T3 area can go for a wander round a kitchen showroom, pop into a homewares shop and a toy shop and wander freely as close as they like to anyone else.

The whole country is a fucking shitshow.

@MyLifeNow20

Im finding it difficult to understand. I work in a preschool and have a child in YR1. Personally I think we need to go into lockdown like march but why are we not? I guess the cost. Why are Boot, the range and shops like that still open, there is no need!

Hopefully you will keep that child of yours in the house and not be taking it out at all if the schools close

@Elephant4

There is no way in the world that I would stop going out for exercise.

Enough is enough.

I'm not staying locked in if they keep the borders open.

I can’t see how the government could justify NOT putting us into a full lockdown when hospital beds taken are now higher than the peak in April. And with an increasing infection rate ... surely that will only get worse?
Lockdowns do work, obviously it’s a yo yo once out of lockdown, but surely we need one until we’ve made a dent in vaccines ?

@MyLifeNow20 So will you manage ok if you are required in at work? Or will you send your child in on a keyworker place?

The moment someone complains about Boots being open you know there is no point in the argument.

So we should listen to the scientists, because if we don't we end up with a bigger problem and might end up with a longer and less effective lockdown?

That seems to be what happened in March.

We don't seem to have learnt from it.

The government haven't learnt from anything! They had a chance to do the right thing and blew it. Wasted millions on nightingales, PPE, test and trace, giving their friends 'contracts'. They've had the chance to plan and deal with the winter season, to minimise the impact on the NHS but haven't done that.
They've shut down little businesses, the self employed, passed laws so people can't work, or see their family. People are destitute, financially ruined, homes lost and an increase in suicides. At what point is it enough? Covid is not the only issue here.

@yeOldeTrout I hope your joking as ration cards would probably be based on popular pitchfork views that everyone has the same household needs as them. Ie they have no kids and live off 10g of pasta a month.

Why stop there? Close schools for two years and give these three years of year tens, 12 and grades free JSA for life.

I could also loose my ability to support my kids and they can go to the state at 220k a pop each year as I couldn't keep them.alive.

I wouldnt be paying the tax back. So 🤷‍♀️.

@itsgettingweird

I think the big mistake will be not allowing people outside to exercise.

I think there's an argument for closing parks etc as people stand around in closer contact for periods of time.

But walking outside is the lowest risk activity. And if they shut people up indoors you are going to get bigger problems as people will revolt at this point.

If they say no outdoor exercise I shall just walk to a supermarket daily (and one of the further ones). That's more mixing than when I walk the fields for hours!

Yes the furthest supermarket that is five miles away

Boots is an essential shop but in lockdown March you couldn’t just walk in and shop. You were greeted at the door asked what you wanted many things like the makeup counters were all sealed off. Same as supermarkets. Where are the ques? And the trolley sanitising? Certainly not happening here and we’re tier 4.

I wonder if they're waiting for the Oxford announcement before announcing a lockdown.

@SilverGlitterBaubles

People are no longer fearful, in fact many are sceptical that the virus is actually any more than flu. The government had people's good Will in March/ April and squandered it with false promises of 'world beating' track and trace and the sham that was Cummings trip to Durham. Locking people up while still allowing flights in and out and unchecked quarantine is just a joke. People have made it a national pass time to find loopholes in rules and guidance. There's no collective responsibility or sense of community. We are our own worst enemy.

This. Plus the schools sing some sort of magical safe haven. Other countries must be looking at us in shock at how wrong we could possibly cope with it all. We ignored the warnings back in March then it became a jolly boys outing for Boris and his chums.

@CKBJ

Boots is an essential shop but in lockdown March you couldn’t just walk in and shop. You were greeted at the door asked what you wanted many things like the makeup counters were all sealed off. Same as supermarkets. Where are the ques? And the trolley sanitising? Certainly not happening here and we’re tier 4.

I agree that queue management and sanitising isn't been done anymore, but shops don't have the staff to do this, no extra staff/funding has been given for this. A lot of stores have staff off sick/self isolating.

Have 2 older kids. One is a 2nd year medical student who is hopelessly behind schedule on her development and course....she’s had zero clinical skills teaching up at Sheffield Uni. So, if a full lockdown goes ahead and she stays at home...how on earth do we get the next generation of doctors exactly that we so badly need???

Because lockdown without schools closing won't work.
And wannabe PM Gove has promised schools will open, to force Al to either commit or u-turn.
And another closure of the economy, at Brexit time, would be political suicide.
And there just aren't the police or the army to confine or curfew 66m people.
That's why.

@CKBJ

Boots is an essential shop but in lockdown March you couldn’t just walk in and shop. You were greeted at the door asked what you wanted many things like the makeup counters were all sealed off. Same as supermarkets. Where are the ques? And the trolley sanitising? Certainly not happening here and we’re tier 4.

Tier 4 London and our local boots has the same system it did in March. Only 6 people in the shop at a time. Line up outside. Once inside you have access to all areas and can help yourself.

I think you should talk to the manager of your local branch.

In Wales our first lockdown lasted longer than England, we then had a two week lockdown in October, then they shut restaurants 6pm, banned alcohol. Our schools shut down early. We once again locked down before England, our hospitals in the south are struggling badly our figures look as bad as they did back in the spring. We are all struggling nothing will stop this virus doing what it does.

The reason we're not doing it is twofold

a) we have a right wing government and the party in power very much favours business and the ecinimynwith every fibre of its being. They want to keep everything open, until they really really can't

b) advuce from behaviourists that people get sick of it and compliance wanes. So strict measures for very short periods only , and introduced only when there is considerable groundswell of public support for further measures

Oh and our large Tescos has a line outside, trolley cleaning station, a traffic light system on door to tell you when to enter and a lovely lady that squirts hand sanitizer in the entrance.

Actually always the same lovely lady whenever I go. Beginning to think she is working 12 hour days, 7 days a week.

Shut schools until the vaccination programme is being properly rolled out. How many frontline NHS staff have had the vaccine and why aren't they being prioritized immediately ? I applied for NHS vaccinator job early Dec and still not even been contacted yet have 30 years experience as a qualified Nurse - why aren't they recruiting absolutely anyone with relevant experience. I understand it takes time but it's the only way now.