Why are we not going into full lockdown again?

[MyLifeNow20]

Im finding it difficult to understand. I work in a preschool and have a child in YR1.
Personally I think we need to go into lockdown like march but why are we not?
I guess the cost. Why are Boot, the range and shops like that still open, there is no need!

There are three basic elements to managing the pandemic: test, trace and isolate. We failed at all three.

Yes. What's happened to test, trace and isolate? And how much did the test and trace system, that now has mysteriously disappeared, cost?

@Katie517 The pharmacist at my local Boots caught it...so people are getting it in Boots. ‘Essential‘ doesn’t mean a magic wand is waved and people can’t catch it in these places.

I think we all know it’s ridiculous that shops such as The Range are open. People’s health being put at risk for what? A new toaster? We have to remember these people live with others who may be vulnerable, and the mixing of household upon household, both on public transport to the workplace and in the workplace leads to unnecessary spreading of the virus. We still don’t know the longterm effects and I don’t think throwing these people to the wolves in the name of the economy (or in most cases, so people have somewhere to go and something to do) is in any way justifiable.

@nothingcanhurtmewithmyeyesshut

Tier 4 is basically lockdown. What they need to do is shut the fucking schools. That was the main difference between lockdown and lockdown lite. I don't buy that kids are low transmitters. If anything, they are the main transmitters because they don't know they have it. Kids are mostly asymptomatic or mild symptoms. They don't even realise they have it and are least likely to social distance.

Keep schools open for teachers who are willing to risk teaching and parents who are willing to risk sending their children to school.

Of course it would no be fair to continue to pay teachers not prepared to teach indefinitely.

We might, give it a week or two.

Lockdown alone is pointless, you also need strict border control and proper quarantine measures, also the schools need to shut. And even then, if people won't comply, it won't work. It absolutely can work when done properly and promptly (see Melbourne), but even then it took four months, and I just can't see that happening in the UK. I really hope for the sake of my friends and family in the UK the vaccine rolls out quickly!

@AreTheySerious Are you actually saying the pharmacist caught it from a customer despite them both presumably wearing masked and at a distance?

More likely they caught it from colleagues or at home.

@honeybooboo1394

They couldn't stop you from exercising outside.

I'd never have stopped before - like you it's what keeps me sane, for many many reasons I'm not going into here.

Last lockdown I was worried about what other people thought. This time I don't give 2 hoots. There'll be no one stopping us from walking/running round the block. I guess parks might close, but I managed to jump over the fence of our park before.

As I said - there's no way anyone is going to stop me this time.

Enough truly is enough.

@alwayscrashinginthesamecar1

Lockdown alone is pointless, you also need strict border control and proper quarantine measures, also the schools need to shut. And even then, if people won't comply, it won't work. It absolutely can work when done properly and promptly (see Melbourne), but even then it took four months, and I just can't see that happening in the UK. I really hope for the sake of my friends and family in the UK the vaccine rolls out quickly!

Exactly. Countries with lower levels have strict quarantine controls in place: China, Hong Kong, Thailand, Taiwan, nz, Australia. We lockdown, but with no quarantine controls at the border this is pointless.

The first lockdown was to relieve pressure on the NHS.

Turns out they didn't really need it.

The second lockdown was pointless.

Any lockdown is pointless - the virus is still going to be there - it's not going to say crikey, I'd better be off because the shops are shut.

Another lockdown may save some lives and some NHS beds, but it will destroy the economy, and lives of those who simply cannot cope under the restrictions due to whatever reason. For me now, there is enough information available to make a personal choice.

@Billie18 Better still, bump teachers of basic subjects like English/Maths up the vaccination schedule. It would allow for at least some basic schooling in the meantime, even if only a day or two a week and alleviate the childcare issue a little.

I was for lockdown until recently, when it's become apparent that many of my friends and acquaintances are regularly breaking the rules with indoor mixing.
I now actually think if pubs and cafes are allowed to open, with all the safety measures in place, people might not be so tempted to mix in domestic settings which are undoubtedly less safe.

@ ckbg

I’ve never been stopped at the door of any shop and asked what I wanted 🤷🏼‍♀️ Queuing outside though - yes.

@Nicknacky We don’t know, do we? PPE isn’t an absolute guarantee against contracting the virus. On balance I’d say if an individual is exposed to dozens of people per day in the workplace (whether they be colleagues or customers - and before we take the commute into account) then yes, they’re more likely to catch it there than at home.

@StylishMummy

Because we can't keep fucking sacrificing the many many lives impacted by a lockdown for the very very few who'll die of this illness. It's a ridiculous state of affairs to be crowing for a lockdown when there are millions of families who can't afford one!

One of the few sensible comments

@AreTheySerious To be fair you said people were catching it at Boots. There is nothing to say that’s the case in the example of your pharmacist. Did they not go anywhere else at all or live with a partner and children, for example?

@Billie18

Nothing to stop people locking themselves down if that's what they want to do. Maybe it would be a good thing? Those that want to stay nice and safe inside could isolate and leave everyone else free to risk living a full life.

I agree! It's quite frightening to see how many people are willing to give up their freedoms and lives for a virus which is 24th on the list of things which is killing people in this country.

[quote Nicknacky]@AreTheySerious Are you actually saying the pharmacist caught it from a customer despite them both presumably wearing masked and at a distance?

More likely they caught it from colleagues or at home.[/quote]
Of course this is a transmission route, face coverings are pretty ineffective. If they use the consulting room (eg for flu jab/ medication review) you’d be at very close proximity for a reasonable amount of time. Patients were directed to pharmacies when they couldn’t access their GP. Standing opposite somebody having a conversation in close proximity is much more at risk than silently passing somebody in a shop.

the more you limit human interaction, the more you suppress the virus

but the more you limit human interaction, the more you create a whole host of other problems

and it won't be for a while yet till we know if the cure is worse than the disease

@BungleandGeorge Yes there is that possibility however I’m querying that posters statement that people are catching it at Boots and she is using that pharmacist as an example.

Can she prove that transmission link? No. And if she/he has family then they could just have easily picked it up there.

There is going to be another lockdown. It may be announced on Wednesday. They may wait a few weeks until a thousand British people are dying every day. They might not call it Lockdown. They may call it Tier 5

But it must happen because once you've let the virus spread to this extent there are no other options left.

Have none of you looked at the graph of cases in your local area?

Because in three weeks that stupendous rise in cases will lead to a stupendous rise in deaths.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

[quote Nicknacky]@BungleandGeorge Yes there is that possibility however I’m querying that posters statement that people are catching it at Boots and she is using that pharmacist as an example.

Can she prove that transmission link? No. And if she/he has family then they could just have easily picked it up there.[/quote]
People are catching it in hospitals. Maybe we should shut the hospitals?

Have a look at this thread. An alternative to the mainstream fear mongering with real data.

twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1343677121730912258?s=19

Because no one would follow it. And it doesn’t work anyway. We’ve had enough of being told what to do.

@PrincessNutNuts

There is going to be another lockdown. It may be announced on Wednesday. They may wait a few weeks until a thousand British people are dying every day. They might not call it Lockdown. They may call it Tier 5

But it must happen because once you've let the virus spread to this extent there are no other options left.

Have none of you looked at the graph of cases in your local area?

Because in three weeks that stupendous rise in cases will lead to a stupendous rise in deaths.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

Repeated testing of people with no symptoms increases "cases" but will not increase deaths.

I’ve just been reading this ICU doctor’s Twitter feed and it sounds awful. I’m not sure how to post a link but here goes:
Dr Samantha Batt-Rawden
@sbattrawden
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3h
Hospitals running out of oxygen.

One trust with no non-invasive machines left.

ICUs tweeting for volunteers to prone patients.

Transfer teams being requested to move patients 65+ miles to nearest hospital with critical care capacity.

Please. Stay at home if you can.