National lockdown needed

[Ilovegreentomatoes]

Record breaking 40,000 new cases today why on earth is boris not calling for a national lockdown now? Why is he so slow at acting on a fast moving virus?

The 1% also require medical treatment to stay at 1%. Very little point in quoting the 1% if lots of them get it over a very short period of time and some of them get ventilators and CPAP and the rest just get thoughts and prayers.

@SirVixofVixHall

Full lockdown, properly policed ( we are supposed to be in lockdown here in Wales, but we have had tourists and second homers arrive locally) . Schools need to close. This is a swiftly escalating and terrifying situation for everyone.

I agree. If the Times are saying it now too ..

@SirVixofVixHall

Full lockdown, properly policed ( we are supposed to be in lockdown here in Wales, but we have had tourists and second homers arrive locally) . Schools need to close. This is a swiftly escalating and terrifying situation for everyone.

We ve done this, it worked in not allowing the nhs to be overwhelmed and temporarily reducing numbers. It doesn't work long term. What is the point in doing something again ghat didn't work? We had our chance back in March -sept, we wasted it. We should have locked down earlier and harder. Boarders closed, no going out only solo trips to the supermarket- if possible, like dubai did. We didn't do that.

The rate of people conforming last time was very high, yet we are in this situation now. The rate of those who conform is likely to be much lower this time.

Full lockdown, properly policed

Policed by who? You are aware of course that services have been cut to the bone?
I live in a small town of approx 10,000 people. Our police station was closed 8 years ago. We had a PCSO for a couple of years. Since then... nothing. When a family member was burgled it took 48 hours for someone to come out.
Good luck with policing lockdown.

@SirVixofVixHall

Full lockdown, properly policed ( we are supposed to be in lockdown here in Wales, but we have had tourists and second homers arrive locally) . Schools need to close. This is a swiftly escalating and terrifying situation for everyone.

If this is your definition of terrifying, we need a new word for actual terrifying things

I am interested though, what makes you use the word ‘terrifying’? What do you think is going to happen?

We ve done this, it worked in not allowing the nhs to be overwhelmed and temporarily reducing numbers. It doesn't work long term. What is the point in doing something again ghat didn't work?

@studychick81 this argument doesn’t work now we have a vaccine - the point of a lockdown now is to save lives before the vaccine can be fully rolled out. Surely that makes sense?

@hamstersarse I’m sorry? You don’t find thousands of people dying of a horrible disease terrifying? Our hospitals being overwhelmed?

We ve done this, it worked in not allowing the nhs to be overwhelmed and temporarily reducing numbers. It doesn't work long term. What is the point in doing something again ghat didn't work?

We don't need it to work long term this time. We have the vaccine. We just need time to roll it out and we need the NHS not to be overwhelmed in the meantime.

It's really not rocket science, I don't see why so many people keep spouting variations of "it's just kicking the can down the road" when that is exactly what we need to do at this point

It's really not rocket science, I don't see why so many people keep spouting variations of "it's just kicking the can down the road" when that is exactly what we need to do at this point

Very well put!

If we'd locked down properly in October or November we wouldn't be in this mess.

The November lockdown was a joke and then areas with rising infections thrown straight to tier 2.

@RuleWithAWoodenFoot

For impact of more contagious versus more deadly, read this:

twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/1343567425107881986?s=19

Epidemiologist speaking.

The fact over half a million people have had a dose of the vaccine (including many over 80s) has to be helping as well.

Imagine how grim this would be now without the vaccines. The government would be toast. We should be okay in 2-3 months but January is going to be grim because of the government failure to act. Just lockdown now. We have the vaccines in sight.

[quote Musicaldilemma]@Kazxyhoward - I mean the youth if you close schools and colleges. In my part of South East London they might riot etc- and then you have more problems/casualties in A&E. Have you been on Twitter and observed the sentiment amongst the young? I can’t see them staying home even if you threaten criminal charges/huge fines and if you have poorer parents out at work, how is that fair?[/quote]
January is a very quiet month anyway (and riots traditionally don't happen in the middle of winter).

Lockdown doesn't have to be as strict as last March/April (let's face it the police are next to useless anyway at enforcing anything unless it's an easy target). Just close the shops, hospitality and keep the schools and colleges shut for January before things get even more out of hand.

By February we should be starting to come out the other side with the vaccines and reduced case numbers due to lockdown.

[quote Orichette]@hamstersarse I’m sorry? You don’t find thousands of people dying of a horrible disease terrifying? Our hospitals being overwhelmed?[/quote]
It’s not great and it is worrying but am I “terrified”? Absolutely not.

That’s what I think @User158340 get it done. Lockdown with a view to getting that vaccine out ASAP. Maybe til Feb half term

The mythical riots / civil unrest - in the real world, is there any real indication this will happen on any wide scale?

Army on the streets - I’d love to understand the logistics of how every street is going to be policed by the army. How many soldiers do the martial law fetishists think there are?

We are in full lockdown in Ni. Only food shops open. No click and collect. No one out after 8pm.

I know quite a number working in retail, they tell me very few are bothering doing their hands. I see this also when out.

People are still mixing houses. Local village has different cars everyday parked, coming and going.

In the last 48 hours we have over 1600 new cases. At one point cases were down to 3 a day. Nobody gives a fuck anymore.

We need a 'March' lockdown, no more pissing about.

@Tootsey11

We are in full lockdown in Ni. Only food shops open. No click and collect. No one out after 8pm.

I know quite a number working in retail, they tell me very few are bothering doing their hands. I see this also when out.

People are still mixing houses. Local village has different cars everyday parked, coming and going.

In the last 48 hours we have over 1600 new cases. At one point cases were down to 3 a day. Nobody gives a fuck anymore.

We need a 'March' lockdown, no more pissing about.

I’m confused... You say you’re in ‘full lockdown’, but then that you need ‘March lockdown’ as no one is complying with ‘full lockdown’. What’s the difference between ‘full lockdown’ and ‘March lockdown’?

@chocolatesaltyxmaspudballs

Not for us thanks. Cases in my area are dropping and we have been in tier 3 for months which is bad enough. Should only be applied where needed.

The problem is people are inconsiderate and will move from higher tiers to lower to take advantage of what is open there and thereby moving the virus to previously lower areas. The only way to stop that is to remove temptation and level the playing field, put everyone in an equal lockdown (even just for a couple of weeks to break the chain and allow nhs to catch its breath).

@TroubadorinTrouble

The mythical riots / civil unrest - in the real world, is there any real indication this will happen on any wide scale?

Army on the streets - I’d love to understand the logistics of how every street is going to be policed by the army. How many soldiers do the martial law fetishists think there are?

If we were still in this situation in the summer then maybe, but vaccines combined with it being partly a seasonal respiratory virus should see a much more normal summer next year.

Civil unrest tends to happen in summer anyway not winter. It's been the same even this year for the most part. There was various trouble through the summer.

January is a quiet month every year, people don't do much. One place it's never quiet however is hospitals.

The problem is people are inconsiderate and will move from higher tiers to lower to take advantage of what is open there and thereby moving the virus to previously lower areas. The only way to stop that is to remove temptation and level the playing field, put everyone in an equal lockdown (even just for a couple of weeks to break the chain and allow nhs to catch its breath)

So why weren’t people shouting for this when many areas of the north/midlands were seeing ridiculously high case numbers and were essentially in lockdown while the south was relatively free?
I live in an area that basically has never come out of lockdown. It does seem odd that as soon as London/the SE have high case numbers there are calls for everyone to be locked down, when previously we’ve been told that a regional approach is of course appropriate as the high case numbers are ‘only’ in the north and the midlands.

Full lockdown, properly policed (we are supposed to be in lockdown here in Wales, but we have had tourists and second homers arrive locally) . Schools need to close. This is a swiftly escalating and terrifying situation for everyone.

I’m not terrified. Neither is anyone else I know, including my octogenarian parents. Mildly perturbed, perhaps?

And no way do we have sufficient police or even military to enforce a full-scale lockdown, which is just as well as I wouldn’t be sticking to it. Complied (broadly) last time round but I’m not putting my child through that again. And I’m someone who’s financially cushioned from the worst of the economic, educational and mental health fallout - repeated lockdowns are destroying thousands of young people’s lives and, as ever, hitting the least privileged in our society the hardest.

@Ilovegreentomatoes

I'm so angry at this government for fucking this country up.

But they were voted in with a strong majority and 'Got Brexit Done', so we have to accept this and get on with it. And they know many of their (new?) electorate will not comply with any more onerous lockdown.

So it is what it is.

It's pointless asking the police to get their hands dirty. They're understaffed, under-resourced, under qualified and unmotivated They'll go after the easy targets and that's it, just like they have since the start.

The only thing you can do is keep things closed. I.e. schools, colleges, non-essential shops, hospitality etc and then rely on x percent compliance on household mixing and travel rules. It at least works to slow the spread, even if it takes a bit of time.

By 'March' lockdown, I mean Boris coming on saying we are in Lockdown.

Over here our local politicians announce lockdown, which are usually given out on the local news. Most people don't take a blind bit of notice. People seem to take notice, ie March, when it's done as a 'Boris' announcement.

Don't know why they are dithering. Full lockdown is needed or this will never end. Half-hearted attempts aren't working. Primary and Secondary schools need to close.