Do you think tier five will happen

[Tellmelies65]

Or just just being said as scare tactic? What else could they really stop people doing?

Other governments in Europe have had their people toeing the line

Look where it's got them - Luxembourg,Czechia, Belgium, Switzerland, Croatia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Spain, France, Portugal, Sweden all have higher infection rates per head, Italy & Poland are similar to UK. Denmark & Germany are lower.
Locking people into their homes does nothing for their overall health, and could well lead to more death and illness in the long term.
If we spent a lot more effort in protecting those who truly are vulnerable to serious illness or death and by that I mean not just chucking them a few food parcels but arranging a full and interesting life in isolation we'd be doing far more collective good.

annevonkleeve Not nonsense at all. You’re making a big assumption that all people have common sense. And we all know that’s far from the reality. The government have trusted people to use their common sense for example with face coverings. Look where that’s taken us? Our local supermarket has said only 65% of people are wearing them.

Wow, there really are some people who seem to relish the idea of harder lockdowns. Wetting themselves with excitement at the idea of tracing apps, permission forms, virtual house arrest...yeah, you can fuck off with that. Unlike some other countries, we have policing by consent not by military so unless the government want to declare Martial Law then the options are limited. You’ll have to get your kicks somewhere else.

acorn -i find people using elderly GPs for childcare more selfish than any rule breaker

Some people have no choice! They have to work to keep a roof over their heads so what are they supposed to do?

SAGE are ridiculous. Nothing that’s implemented is ever good enough for them. I think they have to come to terms with the fact that if everything shut doesn’t control the virus then it can’t be done.

@nancy75

Also people working in homes that are non essential (cleaners, decorators, estate agents)

Cleaners are not always non essential.

the hospital admissions for covid include apparently 1/3 who are in hospital for things that are not covid related but they 'happen to have it'

These people weren't in hospital last time as last time most non urgent stuf was cancelled - now joe bloggs with covid (but feels fine) and has a broken leg is down as 'hospitalised with covid'

Cases are estimated to be much lower than March and April when only those who'd hugely deterioriated were in hospital

I dont know a single person who has it currently despite tier 3 and i knew loads in March

@CaptainSandy

How about we introduce martial law? Anybody out without a valid reason can then be shot by the military. Anyone testing positive and their contacts can be welded into their homes for a two week period. Anyone not loudly and publicly overjoyed with the above should be stripped naked, tarred and feathered.

You jest, but a lot of folks on here seem to want this, I've lost count of the number of posters who are demanding a hard lockdown.

I don't understand what has happened to people. All sense has gone out the window.

Pink - they find alternatives - but to ask someone in their 80+ to do childcare is beyond selfish

@MadameBlobby they seem to want to stop a lot of people earning a living.

Unless you put CQ in place, no amount of "severe" lockdown will eradicate the disease because people will just infect each other within their own houses.

So now you're advocating forcibly removing sick people from their homes. This place just gets better. What happens if people have pets or children? Can they take them with them or are they left to fend for themselves?

SAGE are ridiculous.

Christ, yes. No-one wants to go down the Govian route of “We’ve all had enough of experts” but fuck me, I wish “the scientists” would shut up because nothing, but NOTHING, is ever good enough. They’d do well to remember that there is more to this shitshow than their incredibly narrow and specialised fields things like non-Covid health, mental health, having a job at the end of all this etc.

They make unions look like shining beacons of positivity.

I guess there is more than one way to track someone. This is interesting.
httpss://www.brookings.edu/techstream/how-surveillance-technology-powered-south-koreas-covid-19-response/

@Livelovebehappy

annevonkleeve Not nonsense at all. You’re making a big assumption that all people have common sense. And we all know that’s far from the reality. The government have trusted people to use their common sense for example with face coverings. Look where that’s taken us? Our local supermarket has said only 65% of people are wearing them.

It is a legal requirement to wear one unless you have an exemption. Where I am I don't see people in shops without them. 65% is ridiculously low. In fact the only person I've seen recently without one was a member of staff - he had a lanyard on which I didn't read but I assume he had a genuine exemption.

Some MNers will not be happy unless we are locked in our homes, not allowed out unless we desperately need medicine and definitely none of those nasty virus shedding joggers around.

I still disagree that the British are worse at following rules.

i find people using elderly GPs for childcare more selfish than any rule breaker that assumes that the "elderly" GPs are actually elderly - and vulnerable. Not all elderly people are vulnerable, I know of two 80 somethings who have had covid asymptomatically. That doesn't mean they shouldn't take care, but don't act as if everyone over 60 is going to drop dead the minute they get it.

www.brookings.edu/techstream/how-surveillance-technology-powered-south-koreas-covid-19-response

@Pastanred

acorn -i find people using elderly GPs for childcare more selfish than any rule breaker

its cross generation mixing that's the problem and bubbles allow this it has to stop. Who'd risk their elderly relatives by letting them mix with the most likely infectious!

He's in his early 60s, he's not elderly.

His daughter works long hours as a nurse, he loves doing the childcare and what alternative is there for his 91 year old mother?

If you believe in all this madness, then surely its good that she only has one carer?

@Pastanred

Pink - they find alternatives - but to ask someone in their 80+ to do childcare is beyond selfish

Selfish for other reasons maybe, but not for covid reasons.

Mind you, if you have a child at 40, and then your child does the same, you are going to be a GP at 80. Can't have it both ways...

@Pastanred

Pink - they find alternatives - but to ask someone in their 80+ to do childcare is beyond selfish

Childcare has never been so widely available as it is now. Most times it boils down to not wanting to pay for it rather than no available I would imagine.

If you combine mobile phone tracking, credit/debit card use and CCTV footage then the govt could enforce lockdown pretty strictly if they chose.

God some of you really want to go down the whole papers to leave the house, time limits on exercise route don’t you? People suggesting your driving license gets taken away if you leave your area?!?! Are you people actually insane? People will not comply with this, the police will not enforce. Tier 5 being spoken about is basically tier 4 with schools closed that’s all! So why don’t you all take your scaremongering fantasies and predictions and keep them to yourselves as there are actually people on here who will believe you and destroy their mental health some more by worrying about it!

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

In tier 5 they will confiscate everyone's car keys and we will have to wear a full diving suit and air tanks to the supermarket.

@CaptainSandy

How about we introduce martial law? Anybody out without a valid reason can then be shot by the military. Anyone testing positive and their contacts can be welded into their homes for a two week period. Anyone not loudly and publicly overjoyed with the above should be stripped naked, tarred and feathered.

I genuinely believe there are people on here who would support that kind of response.

@notevenat20

Everyone could be limited to one hour outdoors a day. We could all be made to install an app on our phone that tracks us. So many options...

I can't wait for us all to become fatter, and more unfit so that we have even less chance of doing with any illness that comes along.

We could all be made to install an app on our phone that tracks us

People would just leave their phone at home.

@BrightYellowDaffodil

SAGE are ridiculous.

Christ, yes. No-one wants to go down the Govian route of “We’ve all had enough of experts” but fuck me, I wish “the scientists” would shut up because nothing, but NOTHING, is ever good enough. They’d do well to remember that there is more to this shitshow than their incredibly narrow and specialised fields things like non-Covid health, mental health, having a job at the end of all this etc.

They make unions look like shining beacons of positivity.

I agree. All very well for them in their secure jobs with zero accountability.

There are many things in this thread that are too crazy to address

But I'm surprised at people being so upset about multi generational mixing. I thought a site like this would have some kind of family orientation.