Do you think tier five will happen

[Tellmelies65]

Or just just being said as scare tactic? What else could they really stop people doing?

Thankfully we have such pared back public services and an incompetent government that the measures proposed here won’t come to pass.

Childcare has never been so widely available as it is now. Most times it boils down to not wanting to pay for it rather than no available I would imagine.

Or not being able to afford to pay for it maybe?

If you combine mobile phone tracking, credit/debit card use and CCTV footage then the govt could enforce lockdown pretty strictly if they chose.

They could, but only people who carry their mobile phone everywhere and pay by card. Yes they'd have CCTV footage but not everywhere has it or has suitable quality CCTV.

People would just leave their phone at home.

As I mentioned above, I think that was illegal in South Korea. I guess the govt can get a full list of phone owners if they wanted to.

No one is going to put up with tier five unless it is for no longer than two weeks and they get cracking vaccinating people PDQ.

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They could, but only people who carry their mobile phone everywhere and pay by card. Yes they'd have CCTV footage but not everywhere has it or has suitable quality CCTV.

Yes, some people could get away with it but it's really hard to know where doesn't have any CCTV unless you are up a mountain.

But if I dropped my phone and it no longer worked what would I do then?

In tier 5 they will confiscate everyone's car keys and we will have to wear a full diving suit and air tanks to the supermarket.

Being in possession of car keys, or indeed any other mode of transport up to and including a bicycle, scooter or pair of roller skates, will be a hanging offence, commuted to a spell in the local stocks for the first incidence.

Anyone leaving their house, having first obtained the correct permit, must do so in silence. Eye contact is forbidden because everyone knows that’s how a virus is spread. Masks must be air tight and if you can’t afford an oxygen supply then hard cheese, sunshine, it’s for the greater good you know. Joy is banned, even in the privacy of your own home, and wantonly smiling in public now carries a fine.

Time to teach the dogs to use my treadmill maybe 😬

Maybe stop whole families visiting the supermarkets, teenagers hanging about the streets, people partying. If this stopped and people went by the rules maybe we wouldn’t need to be in tier 5.

But if I dropped my phone and it no longer worked what would I do then?

I guess you would produce your broken phone for the officer who stops you. Lying is always an option but it carries risks :)

I hope they don’t get rid of outdoor exercise and I hope they don’t limit it to an hour a day or just once a day as I have just lost the weight I put on in the first lockdown.

Given some of the dystopian predictions on here from the wannabe secret police officers, I expect alcohol to be banned soon. Might find out how to distill my own gin in the bath.

@notevenat20

They could, but only people who carry their mobile phone everywhere and pay by card. Yes they'd have CCTV footage but not everywhere has it or has suitable quality CCTV.

Yes, some people could get away with it but it's really hard to know where doesn't have any CCTV unless you are up a mountain.

I imagine a mask would help you get away with it though. And they can’t exactly insist on no face coverings so that they can see you on cctv..

@notevenat20

But if I dropped my phone and it no longer worked what would I do then?

I guess you would produce your broken phone for the officer who stops you. Lying is always an option but it carries risks :)

I wouldn't be carrying the broken phone so that could be tricky! If the government said I had to carry my phone everywhere with a tracking app I would get rid of my smartphone and just use my landline if I wanted to phone anyone.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat But if I dropped my phone and it no longer worked what would I do then?

I think @notevenat20 would have you imprisoned, because “that’s what they do in South Korea”. They also imprison conscientious objectors, don’t have rights of free association or to form a trade union, and punish those who have abortions but you can’t have everything, eh?

Calling something tier 5 won’t make any difference. It’s like punishing every child in the class, because one or two are badly behaved.

If the current guidelines and laws are not being enforced when people are breaking them, then changing the name of a tier will do nothing.

The Army would be better deployed helping with an accelerated vaccination programme.

Or, we will only be allowed out to work, or when we are grooming a pet dinosaur with toothpick 😷

No leaving the house at all, except to go to hospital in a medical emergency. The army on the streets to enforce this. Food and medication drops of essential items needed for survival. Close schools for the rest of the year, work from home unless NHS and emergency services. Financial incentives for neighbours and family members to report on rule breaking. Unscheduled calls twice a day to ensure that people are at home, either that or tracking apps.

Exercise, etc. is obviously not necessary or can be done indoors. The only thing that matters is beating the virus!

I hope everyone here realises their phones are currently tracked them everywhere they go. They are probably also continuously listening to you in case you say Siri or OK Google. It's how we all live.

@PrincessNutNuts

In some countries you needed a permission slip to go out.

In some countries you couldn't travel more than a kilometre from home.

In some countries you couldn't go out at all except for work and to get food.

And this is what we REALLY want to aspire to? A letter from your mum to say your trip to Asda is essential?

My parents are screwed if they can't travel more than a kilometre as their nearest shop is 5km away.

And all these countries like Spain which decided it would be great to lock children into their homes for weeks on end are doing no better than we are.

Pointless.

@notevenat20

I hope everyone here realises their phones are currently tracked them everywhere they go. They are probably also continuously listening to you in case you say Siri or OK Google. It's how we all live.

Not all of us.

I think @notevenat20 would have you imprisoned, because “that’s what they do in South Korea”

I was just listing the options from other democracies. I don't approve of them.

Not all of us

Do you mean you don't have a mobile phone?

The OP asked how much stronger restrictions could be in order to move from Tier 4 to Tier 5 because she can’t really imagine what more is left to be done. People are answering her. Answering a question doesn’t make you a fascist.

Lots of democratic European countries had significantly tougher lockdowns than us in the Spring, and they found them to be completely feasible, though grim. On balance I personally don’t think that the additional pain of the Spanish/Italian/French lockdowns has been worth it in the long run.

One obvious restriction which could be carried out would be moving from “don’t travel unless it’s essential for you to do your job” to “don’t travel unless it’s essential for you to do your job and your job is essential”. At the moment it’s perfectly legal for me to get whole teams of people in to redecorate my house just because I fancy a new colour palette. A whole range of enjoyable but completely inessential light entertainment shows are being filmed for TV, requiring people to travel all over the place to studios. The list goes on and on and on. Clamping down on non-essential employment outside the home would be the most obvious tightening that you could do but the financial cost would be appalling.

The other most obvious but most hardcore thing would be active enforcement of the don’t leave the house rules along the French lines, where anyone outside the house would be liable to spot checks from the military and have to give an acceptable reason or receive a criminal record. That would probably work - you wouldn’t need too many spot checks for them to act as an effective deterrent. But I don’t think the House of Commons would stand for it.

@notevenat20

Not all of us

Do you mean you don't have a mobile phone?

Strangely not everyone has.