Do you judge people for 'minor' rule breaks?

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So ten months into a pandemic- whether you agree with the harshness of the rules or not- I think most people would agree that the average person is likely to struggle with lockdown fatigue and wavering compliance.

So my question is, do you judge people for minor rule breaks? ie:

• someone seeing their partner who lives in another household, indoors (whether this be for mental health, or the fact most adult romantic relationships require physical contact)
• parents visiting uni students in halls
• grown adults visiting elderly parents who are lonely and isolated

If you think about it, if you live in some places up North, it's been illegal to see your partner who you don't live with for six months, providing you're not in a support bubble. And I know you can see people outdoors, but that's not conducive to a normal relationship. Or, in the case of the elderly, not healthy or comfortable.

So would you judge people for the above rule breaks, if it was genuinely they only tine they mixed with another household? And there is no support bubble?

This thread is mostly pointless, however I am simply wondering if anyone else is finding it hard now!

The above scenarios are all ones I know people in real life have done and I do not judge them. Apart from that, they wear masks, limit contact and mostly WFH.

@Willyoujustbequiet

Well said it about time all these “we have a good reason” to rule break are pointed out for being weak, with not back bone.

Every one is suffering.

In countries with better control, you have a much lower chance of 'random' contact with the virus.

The very high circulating levels of virus in the UK are affected by policy choices made by the government.

For example Eat Out to Help Out actively raised virus levels. Looking at the costs now, it would have been better both economically and for health to have furloughed those businesses over summer.

Depends on the rule break. My sis met a new man in January, both single and living in their own properties. Both working from home. They continued to see each other. I don't think those of us with families have realised how tough this has been on people living alone. So I don't judge them, they are lower risk than those with kids in schools who have had to go out to work.

We met another family for a walk, in the middle of nowhere and we have done so a few times. Again, I see that as low risk. We wouldn't meet with them indoors. In fact all of our socialising is now done outdoors, even in the summer when the rules were lightened.

So in some ways we are going over and above the rules and in some ways either we, or people we know, have broken them in a small way but we've done our own risk assessment, ie minimal chance of spreading it outside or 2 single people working from home would only have a small chance of spreading it.

If I saw a house party I'd judge. Or even, large groups gathering indoors but not quite a house party because they could potentially be super spreader events.

@DianaOfTheLakes

Not a rule break if they became a bubble

@LizzieMacQueen does the Scottish partner exemption apply to teens? It is so hard for teens with boy/girlfriends not to be able to meet inside. Especially 17/18 yr olds. Shd they be allowed to do so too even in tier 4? What if they work in a supermarket so are higher risk of catching or transmitting to vulnerable people? It doesn’t quite feel ok for them to break the rules to me but I totally get why some parents allow it.

@Justa47

It was for the first look down as bubbles didn't exist then.

A lot of people are struggling to cope with the rules , I'm amazed that mental health issues caused by these rules gets so little publicity. Mental suffering is real and should not be overlooked. I don't judge those who break the rules and would never report them!

@Willyoujustbequiet

Nicknacky

Im not ignorant about mental health at all. I'm a rape survivor, with disabled dc and who has lost all my immediate family. Therefore I simply have no patience for those who falsely claim mental health issues that have coincidentally arisen when they needed justification to break the rules to suit themselves. Cry me a river but you dont need a family party/mobile nail technician/childrens birthday party but have never sought any help medically. Its pathetic and makes a mockery of those in need of genuine help.

This is a thread about minor rule breaks. A child's party/ nail technician etc are not minor rule breaks and no one on this thread is condoning either of those things. This thread is about people breaking the rules in a careful and considered way, for example the mother who visited her clinically depressed son who was at uni. Whilst this might be against the rules, she did it in a careful way, kept socially distant and provided him with support that benefited his wellbeing and mental health. Mental health is real and I understand that you have struggled and would expect you to show a bit more empathy to people who struggle. Yes some people take the piss and use mental health as a get out clause, but many people are on the brink of a breakdown or suicide and may need support, kindness and empathy.

@Justa47 Ah, just as I thought. It’s your opinion it’s caused by rule breakers but you have nothing to back that up.

Hit a nerve? Are you trying to imply I’m a rule breaker?

@Nicknacky

I will try and make this very simple
This virus is spread by human interaction
The rules are to limit that
Therefore people breaking rules do not limit that.
Hence cumulative effect is more interaction more spread in more disease more illness more death
There is a lot of science on that.

Read sage reports and stop showing the world that you do not understand simple facts.

You are very worrysome.
Look at the numbers
Feel guilty if you broke rules
Stop now.

I hope no one you know is I’ll or passes.

@Justa47 You can make it as simple as you think you are. You have persistently talked about rule breakers but have provided no proof that the spread of infection is down to that and not due to permitted encounters.

Back up your claims. If you can’t, then it is just your personal opinion.

Is that simple enough for you or do you need me to explain it more to you?

And again, what the assumption that I must break rules?

I think we've spoken before @Nicknacky 😀

Have we @DianaOfTheLakes? Did we agree😂?

@Nicknacky

I guess you can read
Read the age reports
I said it before please stop trying to ease you guilt.
The top scientists in the UK recommended the rules to stop the spread
Hence people cumulatively who break the rules help cause the spread.

Versus ranting at me. Give a scientific reason why rule breakers don’t?

Good luck and feel your guilt although you are not bound to say you have not broken the rules blah blah blah

@Nicknacky

As I said they are not my personal claims.
They are SAGe advise

I feel you are a rule breaker
Know that by doing that you are the same as someone effectively firing a gun abs random around a crowd
You know mean to hurt a specific person but you probably will.

Live with your guilt and address if by fire giving yourself of the harm you have done and make amends by stop breaking the rules.

Only a rule breaker would talk as you do.

At random I meant

@Nicknacky

Look do you feel this.
They clearly caught this from being in a room on their own.
The caught from interaction
The rules reduce that.
So breaking them increases it
Can you joint the dots?
Or is that too complex for you?

@Nicknacky if I've remembered the name correctly then yes we did.😂.

@Justa47 Why do you think I have any guilt? Tell me exactly why you think I’m a rule breaker?

Provide a link which says specifically that “rule breakers” are the main cause of the spread? You won’t find one.

People are in rooms together for many, many valid reasons which don’t breach rules.

Ofgs.
LIFE causes interaction and virus spread (it is A mathematical certainty that acceleration happens)
It is not because of rule breakers.
Especially as buying pannetones and walking dogs are not exactly essentials, I do buy pannetonnes and walk my dog.
I'm not breaking the rules but I'm sure I'm spreading the virus even when I'm not breaking the rules.
I'm probably not breaking the rules by PANTING but that probably increases the risk to others.

You cannot legislate against the reproduction of the virus, it Will eventually GO UP as long as we live and breathe.

That was to JustA

Even turning your heating on or charging the laptop is increasing the spread of the virus...gosh some breathing human has to get to the power station and spread fomites to man or woman it..
People are deluded to think they are off the hook about virus spreading.
Everyone spreads the virus without meaning to or encourages others delivery drivers supermarket warehouse staff freight transport are there to give us what we demand quite a lot of it "inessential" but all that makes life bearable and supports economy.

Eat out to help out probably stopped a lot of people going mad, AND helped the economy. It was probably a safer way of socialising than the alternative, which was an inevitable rush of clandestine household interaction.
What exactly were all those furloughed people going to DO with their time and money? Exercise? No, shopping and hanging around on street corners or having picnics (with alcohol)
You cannot stop people socialising for 9 months. How are they going to socialise if you close all the hospitality or the hospitality closes because it isn't worth it to open??

I don’t judge people. I think most of us are doing the best we can, most of the time, and I don’t want to make someone feel bad for doing what they feel they need to do.

I would offer my view or advice if asked, but I wouldn’t dream of reporting anyone.

@inquietant where is data to show ear out increased the rate ? The graphs i seen show we had a low rate cases when up late sept eat out finished weeks before
Not even sure where pubs are in lost of catching virus , seems to me cases went up
1/ because its winter 2/ schools went back