Do you judge people for 'minor' rule breaks?

[Light233]

So ten months into a pandemic- whether you agree with the harshness of the rules or not- I think most people would agree that the average person is likely to struggle with lockdown fatigue and wavering compliance.

So my question is, do you judge people for minor rule breaks? ie:

• someone seeing their partner who lives in another household, indoors (whether this be for mental health, or the fact most adult romantic relationships require physical contact)
• parents visiting uni students in halls
• grown adults visiting elderly parents who are lonely and isolated

If you think about it, if you live in some places up North, it's been illegal to see your partner who you don't live with for six months, providing you're not in a support bubble. And I know you can see people outdoors, but that's not conducive to a normal relationship. Or, in the case of the elderly, not healthy or comfortable.

So would you judge people for the above rule breaks, if it was genuinely they only tine they mixed with another household? And there is no support bubble?

This thread is mostly pointless, however I am simply wondering if anyone else is finding it hard now!

The above scenarios are all ones I know people in real life have done and I do not judge them. Apart from that, they wear masks, limit contact and mostly WFH.

No. Generally all the minor rule breaks I've known have been for very valid reasons.

And none of those have put others at greater risk as have been within a family setting - and have been an extension of permitted rules rather than deliberate going out of the way to ignore any rules in general.

No, I couldn’t care less. I can’t control what anyone else does so why worry.

@HugeAckmansWife
I didn’t say I would judge, I said that I might judge meeting up for a physical contact and visit to uni but it might be essential. I also said that we rarely know all circumstances. Our friend picked up his DC from uni by car, he travelled from tier 3 so not exactly essential journey but it was safer than DC traveling by public transport with 2 changes.

No, I don't. I think everyone has massively reduced the number of contacts they have and that will reduce spread,. If someone wants to do a basic human thing, like have sex with a partner they don't live with or hug a parent or friend, I just can't judge that. And I find it really weird that people do to be honest.
I have a sibling who sent their feverish child to be looked after by my parents and that did freak me out.

We broke the rules on Christmas Day. We had 4 households at ours instead of 3. It was our household, DSis, my parents & my grandparents. My grandparents are 94 & 91 and my grandmother has terminal cancer and a couple of months left. It’s her last Christmas and we’ve lost out on the last 8 months of her life by restecitions.
She said she would rather have 8 days seeing family than 8 weeks and never see us again.
We’ve all isolated prior to Christmas Day to make this doable for her last Christmas and I feel no guilt. I will also be seeing her regularly until her last day. I won’t ever get this time back.

@BogRollBOGOF brilliant post

No I haven’t judged most the time.

I judged the very first potential rule breaker. He didn’t break a rule just asked a question which I thought was obvious. I judged him loads then I realised other neighbours were actually breaking rules. Then I relaxed and decided people will just do their best.

I did judge two mums for getting tests when they didn’t have symptoms a few months ago. They are now on holiday. (They could be a support bubble). I am judging them for going abroad a bit. But more for having a test without symptoms. Wasteful in my view.

There is something about travelling that bothers me. Why would you risk taking it with you? Even if you quarantine on the other side.

All the other rules that I know have been broken I don’t judge. I doubt some people even know all the details and when things changed. In the beginning we could only exercise outside for 1 hour locally. Several mums broke that one. (I think they made a good call).

Ps I don’t know what to say about your situation OP. It sucks and I hope your contract ends soon so you can move in.

@Igglepigglesgrubbyblanket

No, I don't. I think everyone has massively reduced the number of contacts they have and that will reduce spread,. If someone wants to do a basic human thing, like have sex with a partner they don't live with or hug a parent or friend, I just can't judge that. And I find it really weird that people do to be honest. I have a sibling who sent their feverish child to be looked after by my parents and that did freak me out.

This, basically.

I'm in no position to judge, anyway - I've hugged people who aren't part of my 'household' (i.e. me) on four occasions since March. If you want to be mad about it then go ahead, but as the alternative would have been nine months without touching a single other human being I'm highly unlikely to care.

I don't judge people for minor rule breaks. What I judge them for is posting those rule breaks all over social media like they're somehow proud of it.

A girl on my Facebook had her birthday in December, when we were in complete lockdown, and her partner (no bubble) stayed over with her and her family. She posted a selfie of them kissing, with the caption 'Yes, we broke the rules today. But it's done wonders for me.'

I mean, I'm sure it did do wonders for her .. but I think it's in poor taste to post about it online where many people can see it who HAVEN'T broken the rules despite having a birthday, feeling down, missing loved ones etc. It would have 'done wonders' for them too, so there's no need to rub it in their face.

If you're going to break the rules, at least break them quietly.

I couldn't give one, flying fuck.

Labobo describes visiting her son in halls.

There are exemptions for providing care and support to a "vulnerable" person.Vulnerable does not necessarily mean old/disabled/suffering from chronic condition. A fit and healthy young person can become vulnerable if they become isolated, depressed and suicidal.

Context is everything.

I judged the neighbour harshly during lockdown when I had 2 nephews in to fix my security alarm system. This is an "essential household repair" and allowed by the rules.

2 neighbours were sitting in garden with DS, DIL and two DC. Nephew warned them politely they would be testing loud alarm. Her son asked them who they were and then, on receiving the response, well you shouldnt be there. The son was visiting with wife and 2 DC so not there on "caring" exemption. Nephew told him quite harshly to mind his own business (as he did not live next door either) and suck it up.

We tested the alarm 8 times in the course of an hour to emphasize the point.

@AverageContents

Yes. The rules are clear and its selfish to break them.

My friend had her parents over on Christmas Day - all fine. Pics on social media of them all together after the rule change on boxing Day, outdoors, but hugging!

And? We do not live in a nanny state, stop being such a sheep

[quote Justa47]@Light233

I am amazing by the people saying don’t judge. Clearly not aware of the cumulative effects as so many people saying no risk and well the risk is this;

1. The NHS is effectively at the same levels as April. This risks all people with accidents and other illness getting ICU care. Not trust the beds it’s the staff needed.
2. People by accident spread this. So more meets more spreads.
3. The system in our country means you vote every 5 years then the government make up the rules. And they have the legal power the change the rules under existing law.
4. This effects the old more but can randomly effect others. So it anage related pot luck

So I hope non one in your family has a road accident or catches Covid. But think on.

Do doubt I will get a load of NM abuse now as being holier than thou. Not thou it’s the law is holier than thou.[/quote]

@sneakysnoopysniper - Yes, I thought his situation made the visit legal as he was definitely vulnerable but technically I wasn't allowed into the halls so I had to be sneaked in. If he'd been fine, there's no way I'd have visited. Didn't see his brother all term because he had a proper flatshare bubble and so was coping OK at a different uni.

@CelestrialWarrior

Are you saying it’s ok to break the rules?

@Justa47 sometimes the risk of not breaking the rules outweights the risk of Covid. Life isn't black and white.

@Waxonwaxoff0

What’s a good example as the impact of rule breaking might be felt by someone else away down the chain?

@Waxonwaxoff0

And isn’t that something to take up with your MP as the rules are quiet black and white from BOJO don’t you think? Especially if in tier 4?

No judgement here. Making lots of minor rule breaks myself and don't care what others are doing.

@Justa47 plenty. People can die from other things than Covid. Covid is not the only thing that matters. As I said upthread, I've broken the rules so I can continue to work and keep a roof over our heads, my own DS's wellbeing matters more to me than a stranger "down the chain."

Nope, dont judge mostly because I just dont care.

@LitPeach

Frankly I am judging anyone who is going outside in the middle of a global pandemic unless they are a key worker.

Not only are they putting the health and lives of their families at risk but also that if everyone around them and everyone they may meet.

Too many people are prioritising going for walks in the park or buying gin from Asda over staying home and saving lives.

This will only be dealt with by a proper lockdown enforced by the army.

Totally idiotic

@Waxonwaxoff0

That’s exactly the point.
The rules are designed to limit spread so Covid does not overwhelm the NHS so other illnesses abs accidents and conditions can be treated

I hope nothing befalls your family.