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The logistical issue with closing primary schools...

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Jourdain11 · 26/12/2020 17:13

Just want to say at the start that, in saying this, I do not in any way mean to undermine teachers' and school staffs' right to work in a safe environment. But there is a big logistical issue with the closure of primary schools, assuming that childcare arrangements would also be knocked out.

In the spring, a huge number of people were either wfh or furloughed. That is no longer the case to the same extent. Since the rules/guidance now is to "work from home unless you cannot do your job at home", there are many, many more people who are expected to go into work, at least on a part-time schedule.

Which creates a huge issue in terms of primary-aged children doing remote learning from home. Either you end up with a pretty large number of "key worker" or "unable to learn from home" children going into school (which creates issues for staff in terms of providing in-school staffing and online provision simultaneously, and also slightly defeats the point of the entire exercise); or you have thousands of parents having to resign their jobs, take unpaid leave, beg for time off or whatever (which is clearly very far from ideal). Or you end up with parents simply saying, "I pay taxes for my children to be educated in school and it is their right to receive this education" and sending them in anyway.

Seems the only way around this would be either to have a "short, sharp" shutdown with a (for example) 2-week timelimit, which might be more manageable for both parents and school staff. Or to stay open and increase hygiene measures in PSs, or at least strive to make them equal across all schools.

Thoughts?

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jillypill · 29/12/2020 15:52

You can't expect others to care/ educate your kids during a pandemic.

It takes a special kind of stupid to tell people that they shouldn't expect others to care about their circumstances & they should be ok with losing their livelihoods in order to protect others. 🙄

jillypill · 29/12/2020 15:57

@Waxonwaxoff0 & @bookworm14

I agree with you! I hate this new narrative that school
is simply childcare & not education or a reasonable expectation & parents shouldn't have had kids if they didn't want to look after them or chastising them for not having a back up plan.

Hardbackwriter · 29/12/2020 15:59

It wouldn't cost them anything extra and would employ someone on a temp basis that is currently out of work due to the pandemic.

At my work they've just tried and failed to recruit my maternity replacement (which is making things more stressful as I'm going to have to do some thins myself that I thought I'd hand over). They had two applicants and neither had the basic skills/knowledge for the job. How likely do you think it is that they can get a temp to do my job, starting Monday, if nursery shuts then?

EttaG · 29/12/2020 16:04

So the child of the parent who has to give their job up or take unpaid leave long term gets no education and potentially put on the poverty line
For every parent who can’t work there’s a person on benefits who can. So do a swap - give the benefits to the parent and give the job to the person who’s available to work. To society as a whole it doesn’t matter which person has the job and which has the benefits. It’s tough but when you choose to have kids you need to accept that they’re your responsibility. If looking after your own kids means you can’t work then I guess you can’t work.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 29/12/2020 16:06

Apologies @jillypill !

To the poster who said I could go on furlough and my employers could hire a temp - it would cost my company time and money to advertise, interview and then train up a new staff member, at what is a very busy time of year for us, all for just a couple of weeks cover. I can't see them being keen.

jillypill · 29/12/2020 16:07

To society as a whole it doesn’t matter which person has the job and which has the benefits. It’s tough but when you choose to have kids you need to accept that they’re your responsibility. If looking after your own kids means you can’t work then I guess you can’t work.

I'm a key worker so unaffected by school closures but the above is just nonsense.

jillypill · 29/12/2020 16:08

I would be very against women in particular having to give up jobs to look after dc because schools are closed & expecting them to be ok with it.

TadlowDogIncident · 29/12/2020 16:08

Some of us wouldn't have chosen to have any children if we'd known the goalposts would move like this. I've checked my life insurance and it covers suicide because I took the policy out years ago: I reckon DH and DD would be better off with the life insurance than with me unemployed and the three of us trying to survive on benefits n

Waxonwaxoff0 · 29/12/2020 16:08

@EttaG what ridiculous comments. Not everyone is eligible for benefits for a start.

We have childcare settings for a reason, that parents can't work while looking after their children simultaneously. People didn't have children expecting all childcare settings to be closed for months.

jillypill · 29/12/2020 16:09

@Waxonwaxoff0 course they wouldn't but logic is often lacking on some of these helpful suggestions.

Hardbackwriter · 29/12/2020 16:10

Again, aside from the callousness of your comment, @EttaG, you seem to think that all jobs are interchangeable. Lots and lots of roles are more specialis and difficult to recruit to even in periods of high unemployment, there aren't just hoardes of people on benefits who can just step into them tomorrow.

EttaG · 29/12/2020 16:13

Not everyone is eligible for benefits for a start
If you’re not eligible for benefits then you obviously have enough money to manage. Parents will be worse off but the fact is that SOMEBODY is going to have to bear the brunt, and it’s the responsibility of the parent to take that hit more than anyone else. Other people aren’t responsible for making sure your kids are looked after, or for helping you maintain your current level of income.

jillypill · 29/12/2020 16:13

@EttaG what job do you have & do you have dc?

jillypill · 29/12/2020 16:15

If you’re not eligible for benefits then you obviously have enough money to manage.

🤦🏼‍♀️

EttaG · 29/12/2020 16:17

I’ve already had to give up my job because of Covid. My child is at risk health wise so isn’t able to safely attend a childcare setting during the pandemic. That’s nobody’s problem but mine. If I can give up my job to look after my own child then so can others. It’s not that they can’t - they just don’t want to. It’s not ideal but it’s tough shit.

jillypill · 29/12/2020 16:19

Other people aren’t responsible for making sure your kids are looked after, or for helping you maintain your current level of income.

By that logic I'm young & healthy so low risk, it's not my or my dc's responsibility to look out for others that aren't.

EttaG · 29/12/2020 16:19

jillypill benefits are means tested. If you’re assessed as having insufficient income then you’ll get benefits. And if they decide you don’t need benefits it’s because they’ve assessed you as having enough income to manage.

jillypill · 29/12/2020 16:19

@EttaG do you have a partner? do they work?

jillypill · 29/12/2020 16:21

I know benefits are means tested but if you are a single parent earning say 60k with a high mortgage who has to stop working with limited notice to look after your child getting benefits is not necessarily going to help you pay for everything.

tappitytaptap · 29/12/2020 16:22

So hold on. I worked really hard, went to university, pushed through my career, waited for children until I could provide them with a good standard of living.... but I should give up my job for a virus that is very very unlikely to cause significant harm to me or my kids? And if you think that perspective is selfish, I really couldn’t care less. People screaming for lockdowns even though they know it pushes people into poverty aren’t any less selfish, it just won’t affect them personally.

jillypill · 29/12/2020 16:23

My child is at risk health wise so isn’t able to safely attend a childcare setting during the pandemic. That’s nobody’s problem but mine. If I can give up my job to look after my own child then so can others. It’s not that they can’t - they just don’t want to. It’s not ideal but it’s tough shit.

But you have given up your job because your child is at risk & you don't want them in a dangerous setting. That's completely your right but I don't see how it's comparable to just expecting other parents to give up jobs.

EttaG · 29/12/2020 16:24

do you have a partner? do they work?
Yes my husband works. We’ve been assessed as not eligible for benefits because he earns above the threshold. Our income has halved now that I can’t work but that’s nobody else’s problem. Now others are being put in the same situation as me and they’re whinging about it. It’s tough - if your child can’t go to school you just have to suck it up and cope because it’s nobody else’s responsibility to provide childcare for your child.

jillypill · 29/12/2020 16:25

@tappitytaptap you forgot the bit about being ok with it, cause you know you should have empathy & compassion.

Changeismyname · 29/12/2020 16:25

@EttaG

So the child of the parent who has to give their job up or take unpaid leave long term gets no education and potentially put on the poverty line For every parent who can’t work there’s a person on benefits who can. So do a swap - give the benefits to the parent and give the job to the person who’s available to work. To society as a whole it doesn’t matter which person has the job and which has the benefits. It’s tough but when you choose to have kids you need to accept that they’re your responsibility. If looking after your own kids means you can’t work then I guess you can’t work.
What about jobs which have required years of education and/or training? You can’t just get any old person in to do those jobs. If I or my DH were to need replacing in our roles it would be a very specific recruitment process from a limited pool. It’s nonsense to say people can be easily replaced, that’s just not always the case.
jillypill · 29/12/2020 16:26

And for those that don't have partners?

Now others are being put in the same situation as me and they’re whinging about it.

They are not though because plenty of people have children that will not be affected by Covid. It's not the same.