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Would it help to close secondary schools?

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allthesharks · 20/12/2020 00:54

While the news today is disappointing for many, I was incredibly worried about the likely surge of cases in schools when they go back in January. Hopefully, that won't be quite as extreme now that so many people won't be mixing (although I'm not naaive enough to think that there are people who will still ignore the rules). But there will still be a steady increase in cases once schools have been back for a few weeks and I had the following thought:

Would it be beneficial to close all secondary schools? And then spread primary aged children out, using the class rooms in secondary schools. Children aged 11-16 are more likely to be able to learn remotely and to not be such a hindrance for a parent who needs to work from home (not taking in to account SEN). I'm not suggesting that an 11 year old could be completely self sufficient for a day, however if a parent said "I have a meeting and I need you to not disturb me for the next hour unless it's a real emergency", I think an 11 year old could manage that.

That would then free up secondary school premises for primary children to decant to. If, for example, all junior classes moved to a secondary school building, then the primary school building could be used to halve the classes and space children out and the same could be done with the junior children in the secondary school building. In terms of teaching, there's obviously the issue of staffing. But LSAs could take half the class (I'm working on the basis that each primary class has at least one LSA, which is the case in my partner's primary school) and the teacher take the other half. They could then use zoom for the teacher to go through the learning objective for the half of the class not with them and the LSA would be there to ensure they are paying attention/understand what to do etc. The LSA could also be in contact with the teacher to ask for any clarification/assistance as required.

While this wouldn't be an ideal scenario, I feel it would be better than having all schools close again and have primary age children learning remotely while their parents also need to work. The government could even temporarily change the curriculum to only focus on Maths and English which is all they test children on at KS1 and KS2 level and then have other lessons available for remote learning. This would mean children would only need to be at school 3/4 days a week and give the teachers the opportunity for PPA. Although I appreciate this would cause an issue for parents who need to work. But again, less of an issue than if we went in to a full lockdown with children at home full time.

I don't know. Maybe there's a massive flaw in this idea that I haven't considered, and I would be happy to hear what it is. I just feel that the government have gone for an all or nothing approach and there must be some middle ground.

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Ilovegreentomatoes · 20/12/2020 21:19

@Achristmaspudsskidu where did I say there were no cases in my dd school.There have been several if not more.First her whole year group were sent home for 2 weeks then half term 2 weeks then back a week then sent home for 2 weeks as not enough teaching staff then broke up for xmas holidays a week early.Im in southeast. So she has been missing loads of education, social contact and has been stuck in the house alone for long periods whilst I'm at work.She is an only child so no one else in the house to talk to.Depressing for an adult let alone a child.

Ilovegreentomatoes · 20/12/2020 21:22

And I dont have any primary aged DC maybe you are confusing me with another poster.

Nia18 · 20/12/2020 21:24

My daughter's secondary school was struggling for 3 weeks before they broke up for Christmas because so many of the staff had to isolate or were unwell. We had lots of the pupils testing positive too.

I think a good middle ground would be to do things like they did before going back in September.
I'm DD's school each year had one day a week to go in.

This way they have the accountability if they don't do their remote learning without a good reason, the pupils can comfortably be socially distant, they maintain some of the face to face learning and are able to discuss any issues theyre having with the work while they're there.

I really think there needs to be some kind of compromise rather than the all or nothing approach that we've had in the previous term.
Maybe not for the entire UK if it isn't necessary, but certainly in hard hit areas like ours (South Wales).

tootyfruitypickle · 20/12/2020 21:27

@Ilovegreentomatoes I have any only too lockdown was hard .

Achristmaspudsskidu · 20/12/2020 21:27

@Ilovegreentomatoes

And I dont have any primary aged DC maybe you are confusing me with another poster.
I was replying to Flintstones who had made the comment

They are missing out on so much it's detrimental to there social skills & mental health

I wondered what they were missing out on if their children hadn’t missed any school?

DumplingsAndStew · 20/12/2020 22:03

@Flinstones

Children only have school, academic learning at that, ours have no cafeteria open eating lunch outside on the school field, PE lessons only once a week, No after schools clubs, no sport, no choirs, no music, no trips out, shall I go on about the things children are missing out on?
I'm confused. You say they have nothing at school, but then you don't want schools to close because then they'll have nothing.

Have you thought about getting involved with your national Us For Them group? Your thoughts seem to align with theirs, so they may be of help to you.

Flinstones · 20/12/2020 22:10

Dumplings&stew another person looking for an argument. My post is pointing out that children already have very little so taking school away also would be awful.

CallmeAngelGabriel · 20/12/2020 22:57

@Flinstones, You appear to have misunderstood the nature of a discussion board.
It is perfectly acceptable for posters to disagree with you, and it doesn't mean they are "looking for an argument."

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