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Would it help to close secondary schools?

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allthesharks · 20/12/2020 00:54

While the news today is disappointing for many, I was incredibly worried about the likely surge of cases in schools when they go back in January. Hopefully, that won't be quite as extreme now that so many people won't be mixing (although I'm not naaive enough to think that there are people who will still ignore the rules). But there will still be a steady increase in cases once schools have been back for a few weeks and I had the following thought:

Would it be beneficial to close all secondary schools? And then spread primary aged children out, using the class rooms in secondary schools. Children aged 11-16 are more likely to be able to learn remotely and to not be such a hindrance for a parent who needs to work from home (not taking in to account SEN). I'm not suggesting that an 11 year old could be completely self sufficient for a day, however if a parent said "I have a meeting and I need you to not disturb me for the next hour unless it's a real emergency", I think an 11 year old could manage that.

That would then free up secondary school premises for primary children to decant to. If, for example, all junior classes moved to a secondary school building, then the primary school building could be used to halve the classes and space children out and the same could be done with the junior children in the secondary school building. In terms of teaching, there's obviously the issue of staffing. But LSAs could take half the class (I'm working on the basis that each primary class has at least one LSA, which is the case in my partner's primary school) and the teacher take the other half. They could then use zoom for the teacher to go through the learning objective for the half of the class not with them and the LSA would be there to ensure they are paying attention/understand what to do etc. The LSA could also be in contact with the teacher to ask for any clarification/assistance as required.

While this wouldn't be an ideal scenario, I feel it would be better than having all schools close again and have primary age children learning remotely while their parents also need to work. The government could even temporarily change the curriculum to only focus on Maths and English which is all they test children on at KS1 and KS2 level and then have other lessons available for remote learning. This would mean children would only need to be at school 3/4 days a week and give the teachers the opportunity for PPA. Although I appreciate this would cause an issue for parents who need to work. But again, less of an issue than if we went in to a full lockdown with children at home full time.

I don't know. Maybe there's a massive flaw in this idea that I haven't considered, and I would be happy to hear what it is. I just feel that the government have gone for an all or nothing approach and there must be some middle ground.

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loulouljh · 20/12/2020 20:20

No. I would not leave my secondary aged child all day. I wouldn't then be able to work. My child would struggle to engage with it every day. It would be very easy to be sitting not concentrating at all and not learning. It is not viable if we want to educate our children which presumably we do so they can eventually work to get us out of this mess.

CallmeAngelGabriel · 20/12/2020 20:27

"Cases are much lower in primary."

Not as of this week, they're not. Have you seen the latest graph?

Would it help to close secondary schools?
CallmeAngelGabriel · 20/12/2020 20:31

@notevenat20: "- Secondary school children not in school may socialise with their friends during the school day. And/or they might decide that after being stuck at home all day they need to go out with their friends. They may go round to their friends' houses and hang out there too."
That does not even make it onto the list of potential reasons to remain open. Frankly, it's up to parents to exercise a little control over their children.

"- School teachers may similarly socialise more after being stuck at home all day teaching at home."
Blimey, this is scraping the barrel of arguments, isn't it??

notevenat20 · 20/12/2020 20:35

@CallmeAngelGabriel

It's not really a question of whose fault anything would be. Policy makers have to try to guess what would happen in practice.

notevenat20 · 20/12/2020 20:36

Not as of this week, they're not. Have you seen the latest graph?

One mystery is if this is because of the new strain of virus or not.

1dayatatime · 20/12/2020 20:39

@Miseryl

Is it fair to sacrifice our young people's future, education and mental health for our old and vulnerable? That is the stark choice facing us.

+++++

That about sums it up - it's a choice that no one seems to want to talk about.

NamechangedforAIBU · 20/12/2020 20:42

No.

For us only 2 cases since Sept so why close?

Different areas Different numbers

Flinstones · 20/12/2020 20:46

I can't believe we are discussing this again!!!! Leave the poor children alone. They need to be in school end of the story.
Please remember that many more people are firing of cancer, heard disease, metal illnesses than of COVID. Hysterical behaviour about schools does not help.

DumplingsAndStew · 20/12/2020 20:52

@Flinstones

I can't believe we are discussing this again!!!! Leave the poor children alone. They need to be in school end of the story. Please remember that many more people are firing of cancer, heard disease, metal illnesses than of COVID. Hysterical behaviour about schools does not help.
Are people catching cancer, heart disease and mental illness from each other at school then?
Flinstones · 20/12/2020 20:55

I've got 2 children 2 at primary, never had 1 case at all, 1 at secondary a few cases but not once was he sent home. They are missing out on so much it's detrimental to there social skills & mental health. The children need to be In school. Learning at home is a ridiculous & harmful to Christmas. It's time to just get on with this virus.

CallmeAngelGabriel · 20/12/2020 20:58

@Flinstones, Hmm, all those governments around the world must be missing something then, that you know and they don't.
Silly old them, tanking their economies and being "harmful to Christmas" all for nothing.

Achristmaspudsskidu · 20/12/2020 21:01

They are missing out on so much it's detrimental to there social skills & mental health

Who is missing out on so much?

Flinstones · 20/12/2020 21:05

@Callmeangelgabriel
I'm not on here to have an argument like you clearly intend.
It's just been the same thing for months & months about schools. For us parents it's so awful to hear that people seem to think it's easy just shut schools! The harm that it's doing to our children is beyond belief!! Remember that these are the children that will pay for all this in years to come!! How they will do this with the lack of education they will get if the schools close amazes me!
Leave the schools open & sort out the people that pay no attention to what's going on & mix & do as they please!!!LEAVE THE SCHOOL CHILDREN ALONE & IN SCHOOL

Flinstones · 20/12/2020 21:06

The children are missing out on so much already! They only have school left!!

Ilovegreentomatoes · 20/12/2020 21:09

@Achristmaspudsskidu don't act dumb please.I think its obvious the answer to that question.

ceeveebee · 20/12/2020 21:09

That’s interesting. In the borough I live in, the
rate for age 10-14 is double that of age 5-9. Appreciate that is only going to include confirmed positive cases though.
Wonder if the increase is due to the new strain?

Ilovegreentomatoes · 20/12/2020 21:10

@Flinstones totally agree.However some teachers see online learning as the only option it's so frustrating.

Achristmaspudsskidu · 20/12/2020 21:11

[quote Ilovegreentomatoes]@Achristmaspudsskidu don't act dumb please.I think its obvious the answer to that question.[/quote]
Explain then.

Your children are missing out on nothing-you have explained that there were no cases in your DC’s primary and your secondary age child hasn’t been sent home once.

Schools are open; who is missing out?

Flinstones · 20/12/2020 21:12

Ilovegreentomatoes it must be so frustrating for teachers. Why do think they see online learning as the only option?

tootyfruitypickle · 20/12/2020 21:14

Where I live it’s higher in primary age too

Flinstones · 20/12/2020 21:15

Children only have school, academic learning at that, ours have no cafeteria open eating lunch outside on the school field, PE lessons only once a week, No after schools clubs, no sport, no choirs, no music, no trips out, shall I go on about the things children are missing out on?

herecomestheSon · 20/12/2020 21:15

@Flinstones

The children are missing out on so much already! They only have school left!!
School and the novel experience of living through a pandemic - it might be kinder to the children to manage the pandemic well, as they are the ones who will be making sense of the aftermath.

On line school, for some children, might be a positive way through part of this.

tootyfruitypickle · 20/12/2020 21:17

We’re SE and secondary has had 2 cases all term
I think immediate roll out vaccination to teachers aged 40plus but keep schools going. But allow parents who wish to use the home learning. I would send in.

palacegirl77 · 20/12/2020 21:18

Of course it would "help". As would closing supermarkets, churches, hospital appointments, buses etc. But we cant because if we do all of that whats the point in trying to have any sort of normality? My daughter is in year 7, has had 100 percent attendance. Low rate of cases and well controlled when theyve occurred. Blanket closures are nonsense.

Flinstones · 20/12/2020 21:18

I'm not sure I've met any child yet that thinks it's novel to live through this pandemic! On line learning would be detrimental to any child's mental health. It's a very slippery slope to think such a solitary way to learn is in any way good & the way forward through this.