U.K. banned from Europe from Jan 1st

[MayDayHelp]

Bad news for anyone who was hoping to get away next year :(

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/uk-holidaymakers-could-be-barred-from-visiting-eu-under-covid-safety-rules?fbclid=IwAR1ekypfCQe50MxEOIq3hvC3p2gy9nOCU7kUXPoajteT3xIpB27M3jlbPIE

Yep. I can’t think why they would announce it now...

I have not RTFT but does anyone know if this affects British citizens who live in an EU country (which I do)? Will having only a British passport (which I do at the moment , I am working on getting an EU one but that is several years away) stop us travelling to other EU countries?

Despite the national self-loathing on here (and we wouldn't see so much of that among some others) I have to smile at the constant "why should the EU break the rules for us?"

I'm the first to agree they shouldn't be broken, but it's not as if it doesn't already happen all the time when it suits ... has anyone actually checked the EU Infringements stats recently?

ec.europa.eu/internal_market/scoreboard/performance_by_governance_tool/infringements/index_en.htm

@Puzzledandpissedoff

An EHIC card won't pay for transfer to a UK hospital, mountain rescue, private hospital treatment, extra accommodation ...

Exactly, Clavinova - which is why I said that relying on it would be very risky for anyone with complex health needs
Not that it's ever stopped some of course, Brexit/Covid or not

Except the person in question does t have complex medical needs. This is someone in remission with no treatment who happened to have had cancer 5 years before

But you know that’s ok. The people (like @Clavinova) who have enough money won’t have an issue with it. It’s those plebs that dare going away when they can’t spare £800 that are complaining dur nothing really.

@AlexaShutUp

Brexit borntohula

Well no, it's both. Sort of.

@Maerchentante, big fish, little fish, fish in a cardboard box before being sold by a British fish monger. They'll be good British fish in the UK's sovereign waters. What could be better?

More to the point @Puzzledandpissedoff why is Britain having an issue with been treated like a third country when it ASKED ABD DEMANDED to be one?

Why do they ask for rules especially fir them when one if there ask s cir

Sorry one if the reasons cited was that eu citizens were jumping the queue and that’s wasn’t acceptable?

I mean if you are so keen to see everyone been treated all the same, then surely you would WANT to be treated as any third country by the eu no?

No one should be going anywhere until we are on top of this Covid situation. It's not essential to go on holiday and spread the virus between countries. So idgaf if I can't go to Europe for a while and tbh I don't want people coming here until their figures are down either. I don't see this as a draw back to Brexit.

Am sure some countries, Spain, Greece, possibly Italy and Portugal will veto this. Non essential travel from UK to these countries is a lifeline to millions in these countries. I don't agree with Brexit but I think EU is cockwaving.

This is due to Covid. It means that British people will not be able to go on holiday in the EU and come back with Covid in January like they did in the summer. What's the downside?

Seriously you could not make this up!!
Is it supposed to some sort of the (sic) threat?

It isn't a threat (nor is it made up).
Nor is it difficult to understand.

The rules/regulations regarding travel during the pandemic apply to EU member countries. The UK remains an EU member country until December 31st when they will be leaving the EU

Therefore the current covid travel rules include UK citizens - just as they include the French, Germans, Spanish etc.

Travel to the EU from outside the EU is currently not allowed (although there are some exceptions).

After December 31st the UK is no longer a member of the EU so the current rules will no longer apply.

It isn't a threat, it isn't spite. It is simply that by leaving the EU the UK will be subject to the same rules that apply to all of the other countries which are not members of the EU.

But that's what the UK voted for.

It's like cancelling your gym membership but still expecting to be allowed in to use the gym.

@GingerScallop, they bally well should veto (or Vito as a PP said, I like the idea of getting the Corleone's on this, they'd sort it out) this, if there would be something they can veto and this isn't an administrative artefact or mechanism that just happens as a result of a 'no deal', sorry Australian deal. If there isn't something Member States can veto then it's just another demonstration of the spiteful EU acting against its own interests. They should listen to GB and be told what to do. Selective free movement is the thing. Not this 'one size fits all', 'no deal' nonsense. They should have predicted where we'd end up and proactively changed all their Regulations and administrative systems that might have been affected.

@GingerScallop

Am sure some countries, Spain, Greece, possibly Italy and Portugal will veto this. Non essential travel from UK to these countries is a lifeline to millions in these countries. I don't agree with Brexit but I think EU is cockwaving.

Not really. There are at the moment only eight countries on the EU safe list and UK will need to apply to join it.

Hopefully at some stage the covid restrictions will be lifted and travel will return to normal. There is exemption for those with right of residence to travel and also I believe for those visiting family.

One of the other restrictions mentioned (non-covid) is the possible need for a visa if staying for more than 90 days in a 180 day period. May affect some who decamp extended periods to the sun if they don't have residency.

@MichelleBauble, don't try and simplify things with your gym membership simile. Our beloved PM is firmly in the having one's cake and eating it' camp like any PM should be. No it's not like signing buccaneering trade deals and selling GMO food or chlorinated chicken from those deals into a fancy dan organic shop. That would be completely different. A spiteful simile.

Why are The EU being Spiteful and petty when they refuse to give Britain special treatment
We are leaving so we will be treated like other non EU members

@BigFatLiar, you'll be suggesting next that there could be problems by the spiteful EU causing problems with onward travel from one Member State to the next if we need visas. Pure fear mongering. The spiteful EU will give us what we want. Much like the German car manufacturers marching on Berlin and ordering Frau Merkel, the Greek and Spanish and Portuguese holiday manufacturers will march on their leaders to achieve the same.

I can’t think why they would announce it now...

"They" didn't announce it just now, the change of status on 1st Jan was contained on the relevant website on Oct 23rd _at the latest...have a look at:

www.schengenvisainfo.com/eu-list-of-epidemiologically-safe-countries-amid-covid-19/#:~:text=These%20countries%20are%20Australia%2C%20Canada,United%20Arab%20Emirates%2C%20and%20Uruguay.

As of today that site is showing last updated 23 Oct and contains the statement:

"United Kingdom citizens and their family members are exempted from the temporary entry ban, since they are treated in the same way as European Union nationals until the end of the Brexit transition period, on December 31, 2020."

The problem here is that with so many other things Brexit related the issue has only just been noticed by those in the MSM and made it onto social media...it's not "the EU" suddenly turning the screw.

In the current circumstances with Covid and the UK voluntarily adopting third country status this was almost inevitable.

This sounds fair to me until covid is under control. From 1 Jan, Britain will be out of the EU so we are no longer bound by their rules and are of third country status.

EU make their own rules and it makes sense to keep holidaymakers away.

Come the summer, Greece, Spain, Portugal will want British tourism.

@Hoppinggreen, you could ask that. They don't know what's in their interests and should listen to us when we tell them. They're just punishing the UK for regaining its sovereignty. And trying to discourage the rush of other Member States out of the door. The EU is doomed in the next five years if it lasts that long anyway. Probably.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

This will stop all the loaded Brexiteers going on their ski jollies won’t it?

Surely no one will even think going skiing is on. I'm sure ski resorts are closed anyway. The cases here will peak again after Christmas so no one should be going anywhere.

And also lots of Brexit voters are people that can't afford holidays. Why would they care?

I guess that also means we can decide which Europeans can come here. So if covid kicks off in France we can keep them out. There are problems re Brexit but tourists coming here during a pandemic isn't one of them IMO.

I'm not ashamed to be British (just) but I'm ashamed of our Govt.
this is due to Covid restrictions but also due to the mess of Brexit.

I just mentioned this to exH (here with ds due to crisis)
reply: 'we can't afford to go on holiday there anyway so who cares'?
('we'???)
Earlier he'd said: 'well, you need to rent an allotment and grow stuff'
(i;m physically disabled)
'the kids won't need to go to Europe to work /study anyway, who cares'.
This is the kind of thinking that has led us to this. Lazy. Insular.
'Fog in channel, Continent cut off' kind of stuff. Utterly depressing.

I AM ashamed I was married to him...

I expect a convoy of patriotic Englanders arriving on 01/01/2021 waving beautiful blue passports and quoting 'allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary' then shouting louder if the bureaucratic, spiteful official doesn't understand the Queen's English and demanding entry. They'll not know what hit them.

@LisaLee333

Good. IDGAF. But they don't get to come here either.

And it IS covid related, so can people stop spouting shit. It's NOTHING to do with Brexit, no matter how much the remoaners want it to be.

The EU are shitting themselves right now, because they know we are not afraid to go without a deal. And they NEED us.

Yep, they do. Sorry and all that...

It is because of Brexit - we are being treated the same as any other country who isn't part of the EU We don't get to leave and keep the benefits.

Those Blue Passports are really going to come into their ow.