U.K. banned from Europe from Jan 1st

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Bad news for anyone who was hoping to get away next year :(

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/uk-holidaymakers-could-be-barred-from-visiting-eu-under-covid-safety-rules?fbclid=IwAR1ekypfCQe50MxEOIq3hvC3p2gy9nOCU7kUXPoajteT3xIpB27M3jlbPIE

Alexashutup (l say this all the time to mine)

Not only a third country but heading for third world country status. Poverty, homelessness etc.

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised - Brexit was a vote to end free movement so that means from December 31 people from the Uk will no longer have free movement. While we were still part of Europe other European countries were happy to let us in (Covid or no Covid - in fact as someone who lives in France the problem for me at the moment is the quarantine imposed by the UK - there is no reciprocal quarantine for those travelling in the other direction). Once we are no longer part of the EU we will have the same rights as other non-EU members which means no travel to Europe at the moment due to Covid. It's nothing to do with spite it's just the rules we have to abide by once we are no longer EU members - there will be many more inconveniences to come, so much for the bonfire of regulations, but they are not about spite either - it's what Brexiteers voted for (they just didn't realise or want to believe it at the time).

But voting for Brexit was in absolutely no way thick as donkey shit.

Of course it isn't because of spite. It is because we have chosen to become a third country, and therefore a different set of rules apply.

Exactly this. We have chosen to join all of the other countries outside the EU and are not a special case. I'm amazed at the surprise and horror. It's exactly what we asked for.

Read the article. All sounds in line with being out of EU to me.

The imminent bracketing of British tourists with those of other non-EU countries such as Albania and Turkey underlines the potential impact of a no-deal Brexit. EU member states can override the European council recommendations in theory, should they wish to .

We have fairly high rate of infection compared to the type of countries on the EU safe list like Australia, New Zealand and South Korea.

He can put the next lockdown to good use then, Camomila.

@Quillink

Of course it isn't because of spite. It is because we have chosen to become a third country, and therefore a different set of rules apply.

Exactly this. We have chosen to join all of the other countries outside the EU and are not a special case. I'm amazed at the surprise and horror. It's exactly what we asked for.

It's almost like the people who voted to leave the EU didn't understand what they were voting for.

And yet the government is pressing on with this shit show.

Once we are no longer part of the EU we will have the same rights as other non-EU members which means no travel to Europe at the moment due to Covid.

Correct me if I am wrong, but people from non-EU countries are travelling to Europe, despite covid. Some don't even need tests or to quarantine.

How dare you suggest such a thing, BarbaraofSeville? They knew exactly what they were voting for.

Quite why remoaners need to get the blame for this obvious consequence of the thing leavers voted for is a bit of a mystery tbh.

EU member states can override the European council recommendations in theory, should they wish to.

There you go then. Storm in a teacup.

@Changi

Once we are no longer part of the EU we will have the same rights as other non-EU members which means no travel to Europe at the moment due to Covid.

Correct me if I am wrong, but people from non-EU countries are travelling to Europe, despite covid. Some don't even need tests or to quarantine.

Yes, but those countries don’t have high levels of virus circulation and have things under control.

If we don’t do something stupid like come out of lockdown while we still have 18,000 new cases a day 3 weeks before a festive free for all I’m sure we’ll be allowed to travel for non-essential purposes too.

What happens when you voluntarily cut yourself off from your closest geographical neighbours and trading partners. Never a good idea.
Little island marooned in the sea cut off from the continent of which it is geographically part of, but not economically or politically or socially any longer.

To be honest this is just Europe flexing itself and being difficult because we are doing something it doesn’t like. It won’t last if it happens at all, there is no way they’ll be willing to turn away money just as a tit for tat. As soon as our cases drop it’ll be open arms.

Maybe some (stupid) people might start to realise now that we won’t be allowed any of the benefits of being in The EU when we aren’t in The EU.

Does it matter? It's only important if you feel you need to go abroad next year.

:))))

The EU are getting quite desperate then!
I laughed out loud when I saw that particular headline, I am sure Spain, Italy and Greece's tourism sector were delighted to see that

@QuentinInQuarantino

Ah ok, Spain do which was the nail in the coffin for my Xmas trip hole

Same here! (assuming 'hole' was meant to be 'home'! ) Not just the price of the pcr tests, but also not wanting to book astronomical flights when there is a chance we many not be able to use them with less than 72 hours notice if any of us got an unexpected positive result.

I also need to work out what to do in future since our family hold a mix of UK and EU passports. I just can't face thinking about it at the moment, for now I've just been reading the europa.eu page about Travel documents for non-EU family members mentioned above.

@LillianGish, but the spiteful EU are being deliberately tiresome. They know we wanted, nay were instructed by the electorate in a referendum we need to honour, to stop free movement into the UK from the spiteful EU but keep free movement of the right sort, Gite owners and tourists and so on, to and from the EU. They're just punishing the good old UK for being sovereign.

Does it matter? It's only important if you feel you need to go abroad next year.

It matters if you have family ties or other responsibilities in an EU country.

@BarbaraofSeville

It's almost like the people who voted to leave the EU didn't understand what they were voting for.

No shit sherlock. This is the tip of the iceberg. We're fucked

Fucking hilarious.

Come on, OP. We'll sign better deals, buccaneering deals with much better places to go. Don't forget, it's not 'no deal', It's Australia... Venezuela, Syria, Yemen [need to check if any of those will have better than WTO deals with the UK].

Things are looking up -

Earlier today;

"The UK has signed a free trade deal with Singapore covering trade worth £17.6bn, the international trade secretary, Liz Truss, has said."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/10/truss-hails-business-certainty-as-uk-signs-singapore-trade-deal

Canada signed and sealed yesterday;

www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-canada-sign-trade-agreement

@Fruitsaladjelly

To be honest this is just Europe flexing itself and being difficult because we are doing something it doesn’t like. It won’t last if it happens at all, there is no way they’ll be willing to turn away money just as a tit for tat. As soon as our cases drop it’ll be open arms.

Give me strength.

How is it possible that we have been discussing this stuff for 4.5 years and some people are still so utterly fucking clueless?

They are not 'being difficult'. They are simply applying the rules that we asked them to apply by voting to leave the EU.

We ASKED to be treated as a 3rd country. We VOTED FOR THAT.

No, people who voted for Brexit knew EXACTLY what they were voting for and are all absolute geniuses. People who say anything otherwise are just haterz.

The spiteful EU can flex their muscles but we all know who is more muscular. Just compare leaders yesterday. Our fine figure of a PM compared with Ursula. I'm surprised she could keep her hands off him in front of the cameras with his muscles and tousled hair.