What’s going to happen next? Cases rising?

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The Wales lockdown hasn’t worked and it looks like the England one has only had very short term effects. Schools and unis still open and a lot of the public just aren’t following the rules now, it’s cold and wet so meeting outdoors isn’t going to happen so people are going inside. MPs don’t want harsher restrictions in their areas. So what will happen? Is it time just to end most restrictions seeing as they aren’t being followed anyway? Or will they try and impose another lockdown? Close the schools?

So, lockdowns don't work and the solution is to have another lockdown...When will this madness stop?

The focus should be on rolling out the vaccines as quickly as possible and given them to healthcare/social care professionals as a priority. Continue to shield the vulnerable/old while they wait for the jabs and let the rest of us get on with things.

Cases in people who show no symptoms or can fight the virus are not an issue.

Frankly people have had enough and lockdowns/tiers are no longer followed by many so they are pointless anyway.

@Nellee - I know people are giving up - that’s why our school now has such a big problem. I understand why people are giving up, but the result of giving up in the winter will be mass school closures due to a lack of healthy adults to keep them open; cancer treatments, etc, being delayed again; and tier 3 being the default nationwide, but with added restrictions; or mass unrest and chaos. I’m not keen on either of those scenarios.

I agree Requin

Many others do too. Those who refuse to question and look at things critically are continuing to drive this pantomime on and on. It’s gone on for far too long and now is a waste of time, money and energy.

My child is supposed to be self isolating now - but fuck that frankly. We're going out and about and I still think it would be far safer for him to be at school - he'd be with other kids who don't get Covid as bad. So called self isolating he's going in and out of shops and libraries - museums - far and wide. He's mixing with adults now who are more likely to get Covid and more likely to get it badly.

Absolutely unbelievable. I am currently suffering with covid , just out of a brief stay in hospital. The first case was from my class. During that first week of isolation five more of us showed symptoms / tested positive. My result came in on day 10 from being in school. I am disgusted in this post. Those poor people who are potentially being infected by your son

@Nellee - but you aren’t just disagreeing with lockdown, you are disagreeing with test, track and trace!

The trouble is - Walkaround- everyone has run out of steam.

There’s no leadership. As a nation we need encouragement and renewed focus to keep us going. Where is that coming from?

No one has a bloody clue why they’re doing this anymore. We’re being asked to blindly follow ever changing instructions- for what?

You can tell me - here. Now. But the whole nation needs to know and be reminded again and again.

Which is why we always should have been looking for a set of rules and restrictions which were easy to follow and stick to whilst keeping life going on.

Proper track and trace/Self isolation/mask wearing where needed/social distancing/hand washing/santising/temperature checks

and realtistic self isolation rules where the person who is symptomless can go out for exercise and at a time/place where they can avoid people

Get the vaccine out allow that an natural immunity for it to wane (because it will) this is around the 15 month mark now by the spring 18 months (when it was first found)

So, lockdowns don't work and the solution is to have another lockdown...When will this madness stop?

Stop being so logical and play along will you. Let's continue with this madness and see how many more industries we can decimate and people we can fuck up.

@userxx

So, lockdowns don't work and the solution is to have another lockdown...When will this madness stop?

Stop being so logical and play along will you. Let's continue with this madness and see how many more industries we can decimate and people we can fuck up.

They work while they’re happening but yes devastation is huge.

Tf for vaccine otherwise no way out of this dire situation.

I just wondered why you think the measures haven't worked? If you look on worldometers, the cases dropped steeply after about nov 5. Deaths are not continuing to rise, dropped a bit, then levelled off. I know 200+ deaths a day is still not good, but the trajectory isn't continuing to rise about 500.

All of the vaccines involved tiny samples of people who actually caught covid because it would be unethical to deliberately infect them. A lot of people think it’s fairly unlikely that the Pfizer/Moderna are over 90% effective in reality. The trials weren’t exactly the same either, you can’t really directly compare

@Nellee

The trouble is - Walkaround- everyone has run out of steam.

There’s no leadership. As a nation we need encouragement and renewed focus to keep us going. Where is that coming from?

No one has a bloody clue why they’re doing this anymore. We’re being asked to blindly follow ever changing instructions- for what?

You can tell me - here. Now. But the whole nation needs to know and be reminded again and again.

Well, I didn’t vote for this Government - they struck me as a lot of self-interested liars. It’s a shame, though, when people cut off their noses to spite their faces.

Dunno, maybe they'll finally start looking at the false positive rate, maybe they'll examine whether there is any cross reactivity for a positive test with the other endemic coronavirus in the U.K. maybe they'll finally look at the excess deaths for winter and the hospital admissions and realise they're both normal? Who knows. Probably just destroy more businesses though while most people continue to meet up anyway. Maybe destroy the educational attainment of a generation, who knows? The above might mean the government look a bit silly when it turns out it's not the pandemic it's being made out to be so. Yeah. Probs destroy lives instead. Gotta keep those 84 year olds alive for a few extra months!

@cantkeepawayforever

Cases will rise until Christmas, then at least double from that high level after Christmas due to the ridiculousness of the 5 day 'mixing' period.
Cases aren't rising at the mo though are they?

[quote Calmandmeasured1]**@cantkeepawayforever

Cases will rise until Christmas, then at least double from that high level after Christmas due to the ridiculousness of the 5 day 'mixing' period.
Cases aren't rising at the mo though are they?[/quote]
Unfortunately they are- after a couple of weeks of coming down really fast they levelled off about a week ago and have been going up for the last couple of days.

@Calmandmeasured1 - looks to me like they have started going up again in many areas since the national lockdown ended, even though it has only just ended. I can only assume, therefore, that if the country went back to business as usual, particularly given people’s attitudes to track and trace, cases would rise dramatically.

I think it’s fair to say no one actually is certain of anything at all anymore.

Never were.

But now it’s not even clear whether cases are rising or falling.

Let’s stop pretending that humans have any control of this thing.

Are cases rising though or are we just seeing more positive results - the University Student testing has begun and I would like to see the effect that is having on positive result numbers.

More testing is going to equal higher numbers but not necessarily more cases

Agree we have little control - it's a virus - bit like sticking your finger in a hole in the wall, the water will just seep through in other ways. Vaccine really is the only way out

@Nellee - we could also stop pretending we can keep up screening programmes and treating cancers at the same time as dealing with lots of people ill with coronavirus?

@Quartz2208 - as case rises are not limited to places that have universities...

@Walkaround the point still stands though all the data shows is the number of positive results is rising that doesnt mean the same thing as cases are rising and as an overall look that would have an impact.

That said though surely the fact it impacts in some places and not in others does mean that we should be looking at a more localised approach rather than a national one

@Quartz2208 - I have no issue with local responses, they are still mini-lockdowns, though, and people do keep whingeing about them being confusing. As for testing - if anything, I suspect areas where they are not doing mass testing have plenty of people opting not to get themselves tested in the first place, despite symptoms, who are now enjoying going out and about again after the lockdown, so the testing argument can go both ways. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens with hospital admissions, deaths and people complaining of long term issues, I guess.

My child is supposed to be self isolating now - but fuck that frankly. We're going out and about and I still think it would be far safer for him to be at school - he'd be with other kids who don't get Covid as bad. So called self isolating he's going in and out of shops and libraries - museums - far and wide. He's mixing with adults now who are more likely to get Covid and more likely to get it badly.

Really ? really ?
I am utterly gobsmacked by this

@hopefulhalf

My child is supposed to be self isolating now - but fuck that frankly. We're going out and about and I still think it would be far safer for him to be at school - he'd be with other kids who don't get Covid as bad. So called self isolating he's going in and out of shops and libraries - museums - far and wide. He's mixing with adults now who are more likely to get Covid and more likely to get it badly.

Really ? really ?
I am utterly gobsmacked by this

Mixing with adult teachers doesn’t count as mixing with adults, of course.