Vaccine and fertility - has anyone seen this?

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assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/941452/Information_for_healthcare_professionals.pdf

Basically says that effects on fertility are unknown. Is this worrying or am I missing something?

So is having the virus, especially for boys.

Of course it’s unknown.

You do know how these things become known, right? By having the time to study them.

@PaddyF0dder so I’m right to be concerned? I’m just surprised this isn’t in the news

@Blacktothepink I didn’t know that!! That is worrying too then.

Being dead has a pretty big effect of fertility too.

Why would it be in the news? Everything they haven't tested yet about the vaccine is an 'unknown'.

It would be unknown for any new vaccine and any new drug.

@electronVolt ridiculous thing to say as a companions, when we KNOW 97 percent of people will survive covid, even higher if younger than 60.

@OpheliasCrayon so would we have had vaccines before that were unknown in tbjs regard? Sorry I’m not well versed in any of this. Reading that gov document has spooked me a bit

You've missed a thread about this the other day but apar from that you've missed that apparently it's a perfectly standard wording for many many drugs

Think about it, how would they ever be able to test it, there's no ethical or practical way to find out if a new drug effects something that you don't know would ever happen.

@electronVolt

Being dead has a pretty big effect of fertility too.

Exactly!

The side effects on everything are unknown. We could have long term side effects worse than the virus for all anyone knows.

But anyone who dares suggest such a thing is labelled an antivaxer zealot.

New account just to post a bit of anti vax shit stirring?

Yep OP I've written about it on another post and also got told I should be worried about covid and its affect on fertility 🙄.

You're not wrong to be concerned--I'm TTC and won't be having this particular vaccine until such a time when I don't want any more children/they prove it won't harm fertility.

@Porgy I’m not an anti vaxxer I’ve had them all. But this one is a bit different as most people have a cold if they do get it. I’m not against vaccines though.

Does that mean TB, polio, MNR etc all were unknown about fertility and were done anyway?

The impact of a lot of things on fertility and pregnancy are unknown. Because the only way to make it known is to have a test group - essentially hundreds of women of child bearing age with no known fertility issues would have to have the vaccine, try to get pregnant over the next year, and if a higher proportion than normal didn't fall pregnant, then it can be said to have an impact of x%.

Given there's no current plans to roll the vaccine out to this age group, why on earth would a) tests be carried out and b) the fact tests haven't been carried out be newsworthy?

By the same token, the vaccine hasn't been licensed for under 16s. Not because it's dangerous but because it hasn't been tested.

And I'm the most pro vaccine person ever, I'm not an anti vaxxer, I've had everything offered, as have my children.

But apparently even voicing a mild concern is construed as 'anti vax'!

@PaddyF0dder eh? Sorry my post has offended you.

And I'm very very unlikely to be killed by covid.

@WotsitWiggle would you be unconcerned then about this and the vaccine?

@electronVolt

Being dead has a pretty big effect of fertility too.

How likely is CV to actually kill you of you are are of a fertile age though? Especially if you have no other conditions affecting fertility.

@ILookAtTheFloor thanks for the supportive reply, not sure why I’m getting attacked from others for asking a reasonable question

[quote Startys]@OpheliasCrayon so would we have had vaccines before that were unknown in tbjs regard? Sorry I’m not well versed in any of this. Reading that gov document has spooked me a bit[/quote]
Yes.

Any drug that's new and any vaccine that's new - how would you test the effect on fertility until it's been around for long enough for people to have tried to get pregnant and then realise they couldn't and then realise this is the cause?

The number of new drugs I have taken for the chronic illnesses I've had (because they were life saving at the time ) and it's been unknown.

Completely normal but yet another thing used by people to scare people into not having something.

@ILookAtTheFloor

Yep OP I've written about it on another post and also got told I should be worried about covid and its affect on fertility 🙄.

You're not wrong to be concerned--I'm TTC and won't be having this particular vaccine until such a time when I don't want any more children/they prove it won't harm fertility.

How could it be proven?

Say you're TTC today, you have no way to know when or if you'll conceive so how would you ever know if doing anything at all effected your fertility?

Say you and your friend are both TTC, one has the vacinne, one doesn't, one conceives and one doesn't, you still can't draw any conclusion because there is absolutely now way to know what would have happened without the vaccine

For all anyone knows it might increase the likelihood of conceiving, you might be missing out.

The effects of having Covid-19 on fertility are unknown. COVID is known to attack various internal organs. Some viruses like mumps May cause infertility in males.

The effect on fertility of having the vaccine unknown as vaccine trials don’t look for any impact on fertility.