Vaccine and fertility - has anyone seen this?

[Startys]

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/941452/Information_for_healthcare_professionals.pdf

Basically says that effects on fertility are unknown. Is this worrying or am I missing something?

The ECV might include some fertile women, I'd forgotten they were a highish priority. However if they get covid it is very likely to kill them, so no fertility to worry about then. And I doubt many of the "people" on this thread are actually ECV or really worried about fertility either.

Lots of bots spreading vaccine misinformation.

Impact of vaccine on fertility - most probably none.

Impact of covid - death likely if ECV, male and female fertility likely to be affected for some others - numbers unknown.

Foreign governments spreading misinformation gh.bmj.com/content/5/10/e004206

I’m a pro vaxxer through and through but for the first time I’m very wary of getting this immunisation. I’ve read this over a few different platforms. Watching with interest.

It's pretty obvious tbf OP they haven't had the time to find out!

Haha I'm laughing at being accused of being a foreign bot 😂

You can look through my posts, I'm 100% ttc and genuine!

Trust me, with 3 recent failed rounds of IVF under my belt I’m pretty bloody concerned about fertility.

The HFEA has also told women currently pregnant or planning pregnancy in < 3 months to avoid the vaccine, so I’ll trust a UK government agency over someone on Mumsnet thanksverymuch.

@jcurve

Trust me, with 3 recent failed rounds of IVF under my belt I’m pretty bloody concerned about fertility.

The HFEA has also told women currently pregnant or planning pregnancy in < 3 months to avoid the vaccine, so I’ll trust a UK government agency over someone on Mumsnet thanksverymuch.

I think that’s to do with it being untested in pregnancy though rather than fertility as you need two doses a month apart and it says to avoid pregnancy for two months afterwards.

There are a lot of questions right now. Lots of people want to know if it is safe for them. Like most things I work with in science, its about probability and risk, not about certainty.

My understanding is that for the vast majority, it's been found to be far less risky than covid. That there are a few groups with a question mark. More because you can't test on these groups (e.g. pregnant women). Or known risks.

It is more to do with something which says 'don't'. An indicator that suggests there may be a risk, rather than a certainty of none.

I find it reassuring actually. That they struggle to identify people who shouldn't have it. Rather than the other way round.

Not to put a spanner in the works, but scientists are actually already petitioning for the Pfizer vaccine to be disallowed for use in the general population because of its potential risks to female fertility!

In essence, the concern is that the vaccine trains your body to attack and destroy the protein spike from corona virus, but females need protein spikes to form a placenta. By taking the vaccine, we could potentially be training our bodies to attack the cells needed to make a placenta before it forms properly, thus making us infertile.

It’s not a definite but I wouldn’t want to take my chances! Although I fear at some stage we won’t have a choice anyway...

The petition explains it more clearly:
dryburgh.com/mike-yeadon-coronavirus-vaccine-safety-concerns-petition/

As I understand it. A lot of meds aren’t ‘safe’ for pregnant women
They have to say that because the data isn’t there since no one is going to offer their unborn child up as a guinea pig
What tends to happen is women are given meds who then become pregnant or were pregnant and didn’t know
Over years data can be collected this way

Until we know more about the covid vaccination- and we will know more as time goes on it’s better not to have it unless you’re 100% sure you’re not pregnant

Having covid also trains your body to train and destroy the spike protein from covid! That’s why it was chosen as a target for the vaccine.

There is no evidence that the antibodies to Coronavirus spike proteins cross react with placenta proteins. There is also no evidence that this hypothetical risk would be greater or less with a vaccine than with having covid itself.

The 4 Coronaviruses which cause common colds also contain spike proteins. There’s no evidence that the antibodies against those spike proteins cause infertility either.

@Watermelonsugar2

Although I fear at some stage we won’t have a choice anyway

Why do you think we will not have a choice?

There's already a petition to Parliament to not make Covid 19 vaccination mandatory (for any vaccine, not only mRNA)

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442

[quote Watermelonsugar2]Not to put a spanner in the works, but scientists are actually already petitioning for the Pfizer vaccine to be disallowed for use in the general population because of its potential risks to female fertility!

In essence, the concern is that the vaccine trains your body to attack and destroy the protein spike from corona virus, but females need protein spikes to form a placenta. By taking the vaccine, we could potentially be training our bodies to attack the cells needed to make a placenta before it forms properly, thus making us infertile.

It’s not a definite but I wouldn’t want to take my chances! Although I fear at some stage we won’t have a choice anyway...

The petition explains it more clearly:
dryburgh.com/mike-yeadon-coronavirus-vaccine-safety-concerns-petition/[/quote]
Yes well. He also seems to think that the UK has herd immunity.

Hi @Startys @ILookAtTheFloor did you both know that:

• drinking any caffeine
• drinking any alcohol
• using makeup, cosmetics and perfumes and nail varnishes including body lotions
• using household products with chemicals in
• smoking / vaping
• men having laptop on their knee or phone in their pockets or having hot showers/baths
• using plastic cooking utensils or plastic dishes
• consuming sugar

All have a proven negative impact on fertility. Are you both eliminating all of those in your TTC journey or is it just the vaccine that will help others you are eliminating?

Actually, there’s limited to no evidence for most of that list with the exception of alcohol, smoking & keeping one’s balls at a sensible temperature.

Do feel free to share governmental evidence-based guidelines that show the “proven” effect on fertility though.

@jcurve if you are interested you could purchase the book ‘it starts with the egg’ which cites multiple published research studies that show statistically significant effects of the above on fertility.

@ForeverAintEnough I’m well acquainted with the book. It’s fairly well known that the author picked and edited her studies to suit her narrative and there is almost no basis for the majority of her claims.

There are no broad evidence based guidelines to back up any of the assertions you’ve made except for alcohol, smoking and ball temperature.

ALL drugs have side effects.

@jcurve the studies are peer reviewed and published.

They really aren’t! She has mostly picked studies published in really obscure journals - not exactly the BMJ or any of the reputable obstetrics & gynae journals. Not all “peer reviewed” studies are equal.

@jcurve the book references studies published in the BMJ, Human Reproduction, human reproduction update, fertility and sterility all of which have high impact factors and rankings. Also studies published in BMC another journal with a good impact factor.

@jcurve if anything this derail of thread illustrates the point. The advice from the fertility network U.K. is to not take the vaccine if you are pregnant or TTC within 3 months. This is as the impact on pregnancy is not proven. This is completely different to there being no data on the potential impacts of the vaccine on fertility but people like you conflate the two to put people off taking the vaccine just because it hasn’t done a peer reviewed RCT on women and men who are TTC.

Many IVF treatments and tests for example also haven’t gone through that stringent review process and to wait for that would mean waiting until your reproductive years are well over. So people use the treatments based on reasonable evidence there is no harm.

Similar with the vaccine. It’s unlikely there are any long term impact on fertility and to wait until that is proven through a RCT which is the only conclusive way to tell will mean that many more people will die from covid.

I didn’t derail it. I asked you for government guidelines to back up your ridiculous assertions that plastic, amongst other things, causes infertility. You can’t except for referencing a single badly book intended for an American audience.

I (regrettably) have shitloads of sad experience with actual medical condition that really do cause infertility. Fertility includes carrying a child to term, so the effects on a pregnancy really are quite important.

I’m also not an anti vaxxer - I’ve had every vaccine going including being amongst the first few thousand people to receive the HPV vaccine as I was part of the pilot in another country. That doesn’t mean you disregard government guidance not to take a vaccine if your objective is to conceive a child, until they tell you otherwise.