Anti vaxxers in full force today!

[Shekinah1]

I keep seeing anti vaccine threads. False info about immunity passports and that the vaccine is going to be compulsory.

It is not going to be compulsory.

Health passports are going to be ridiculously hard to implement they can’t even manage track and trace fgs.

Get a grip

@canigooutyet

Any NHS are looking for plasma donations from those who had CV either confirmed or symptoms.

Thank you

"Hasn't it been rushed?" No. It's been approved by the independent medical authority and now by Canada.

no patient leaflet info

Yes there’s a leaflet. It’s been available since last week.

I'm wondering about the recent news that people who have significant allergic reactions, should not have the vaccine.. this hasn't been mentioned before now has it? So presumably it didn't come to light with the trials?..

Those clinical trials are still happening and that’s why it’s only been approved in the UK and nowhere else

Keep up - Canada has approved it

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55251830

FDA and EMA both expect to approve it, and their comments were made to contain domestic criticism of their comparative slowness.

MHRA and EMA were the same organisation (all based in UK) until very recently. The assessors are close colleagues working in same way and to same standards.

(Yes I will come back and eat hat if either of those bodies does not authorise use)

I'm wondering about the recent news that people who have significant allergic reactions, should not have the vaccine.. this hasn't been mentioned before now has it? So presumably it didn't come to light with the trials?

Allergy was mentioned in the published patient information pack (right near the top - paragraph 2) though it does specify allergy to any ingredients (not general severe allergy to anything - in indeed that's what the press reporting of the caution is the intended meaning)

Thats great Unmentioned, but how many people have seen the patient information pack? I havent.. where can i find it?

@Jellykat

Thats great Unmentioned, but how many people have seen the patient information pack? I havent.. where can i find it?

I’d always read a patient information pack before having anything injected into me.

Thats what i mean though, presumably the info is sent before your appointment for the vaccine so you can have a thorough read through?
I'm asking because today is the first time i'd heard of this, and have had severe reactions to Penicillin and the tetanus vaccine, so am i advised to not have the vaccine or what?

@Jellykat

Thats what i mean though, presumably the info is sent before your appointment for the vaccine so you can have a thorough read through? I'm asking because today is the first time i'd heard of this, and have had severe reactions to Penicillin and the tetanus vaccine, so am i advised to not have the vaccine or what?

Probably best to read the info and find out. Or speak to your GP.

@Jellykat

Thats great Unmentioned, but how many people have seen the patient information pack? I havent.. where can i find it?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19

It has been rushed. Rushed referring to actioned urgently. Rushed doesn’t necessarily mean there were shortcuts.

@Jellykat I believe the official advice is that if you have had serious allergies to anything before then not to have it (yet).

'Rushed' is being used in a slightly perjorative sense though isn't it?

If you replaced it with 'as fast as the best brains in the international immunological community could develop the existing R&D to this virus' or more simply simply 'rapidly' then it leaves a different impression, doesn't it?

I am not an anti-vaccine person, had all of mine and so have my children. I’m so pleased there is a vaccine, but I’m also cautious of it. I know I’ll be far down the list to get the jab anyway, but even if I wasn’t, I wouldn’t want it just yet. I’d want to wait a few years to see how others who’d had it originally were fairing a obviously via reputable media sources!

@AhBorisSTFU

I am not an anti-vaccine person, had all of mine and so have my children. I’m so pleased there is a vaccine, but I’m also cautious of it. I know I’ll be far down the list to get the jab anyway, but even if I wasn’t, I wouldn’t want it just yet. I’d want to wait a few years to see how others who’d had it originally were fairing a obviously via reputable media sources!

My thoughts too. There may be long term side effects, no one knows at the moment.

Sick of being labelled anti-vax by people who can only view the world as binary.

@AuntieStella

as fast as the best brains in the international immunological community

I think you should drop the cloying language as it's frankly having the opposite effect

What some people are concerned about is that not enough time has passed in order to ascertain delayed onset side effects

@trulydelicious

Thank you for reinforcing my point about choice of words

(which was that using loaded terms when unmarked ones are available is not neutral)

[quote trulydelicious]**@AuntieStella

as fast as the best brains in the international immunological community

I think you should drop the cloying language as it's frankly having the opposite effect

What some people are concerned about is that not enough time has passed in order to ascertain delayed onset side effects[/quote]
You’ve completely reinforced the point that @AuntieStella was making there, not sure whether it was deliberate?
You use the word ‘rushed’, to imply that due care and attention hasn’t been paid.

As no vaccination has delayed onset effects, what is the metabolic or other process from the actions of this one that has led to hypothesising that it is a risk uniquely with this one/these ones?

(Could be either or both of the type in use and the type expected to be approved shortly? Or inherent when dealing with this shape virus? What pathways are thought to be potentially vulnerable?)

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

As no vaccination has delayed onset effects

Please read about the Pandremix swin flu vaccine and narcolepsy. It is possible

www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe

In the case of Pandemrix it appears that issues with the vaccine were started to be identified about a year later

The first hard evidence of a problem with Pandemrix emerged in 2010

If we are talking proper long term one nurse was vaccinated in 2009 and was officially diagnosed with narcolepsy in 2013, another one in 2014. So vaccine side effects are not always immediately obvious.

There have been so many posts explaining why this view of what happened with Pandremix is wrong. It's been explained over and over again. Why do you keep re-posting it, wth the same (inaccurate) assertions?

The numbers involved are very small.

Causality has not been demonstrated and even the article you link states that further investigations n is needed to rpestablish if there is one, the narrow geographic area of potential clusters also suggests that there are other factors (the obvious candidate which has not been ruled out is bad batch)

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

no vaccination has delayed onset effects

^This is an innacurate assertion

Causality has not been demonstrated

It could not be proved that it wasn't related to the vaccine either
It wasn't banned in several countries for no reason
Compensation is not being paid out for no reason

narrow geographic area of potential clusters

Uk? Finland?

the obvious candidate which has not been ruled out is bad batch

Obvious to whom? One bad batch? Are you serious?

I will keep on quoting these articles because posters keep on spreading misinformation.

I quote Pandremix because it's one recent example

I'm sorry if all of this makes uncomfortable reading to you

How on earth do we know vaccines don’t have delayed reactions?
This has to be the glibest comment I have read all week

[quote trulydelicious]@UnmentionedElephantDildo

As no vaccination has delayed onset effects

Please read about the Pandremix swin flu vaccine and narcolepsy. It is possible

www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe

In the case of Pandemrix it appears that issues with the vaccine were started to be identified about a year later

The first hard evidence of a problem with Pandemrix emerged in 2010

If we are talking proper long term one nurse was vaccinated in 2009 and was officially diagnosed with narcolepsy in 2013, another one in 2014. So vaccine side effects are not always immediately obvious.[/quote]
Narcolepsy is not unique to the Pandemrix vaccine. It is an autoimmune condition which existed before Pandemrix and continues to exist afterwards. If these nurses developed narcolepsy and were diagnosed 5 years later you cannot conclude that it was due to the Pandemrix vaccine. The known vaccine associated cases mainly occurred in children under 20 and were apparent within a few months of being vaccinated.
I've read your link and it doesn't actually make it clear when that nurse developed narcolepsy. It does say she was diagnosed in 2013 after having problems for a number of years. So either it may have started much closer to the vaccine or it is difficult to say that the two were definitely related.
You can see that it is possible to develop narcolepsy and to have had the Pandremix vaccine previously and for the two to be unrelated?

I'm not sure that citing this kind of article helps your case for saying that vaccines may have unknown long-term side effects.

How on earth do we know vaccines don’t have delayed reactions?

Because none have ever been observed in the last 80 years or so, let alone with proven causal link

What do you think has been missed?