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Anti vaxxers in full force today!

203 replies

Shekinah1 · 02/12/2020 15:18

I keep seeing anti vaccine threads. False info about immunity passports and that the vaccine is going to be compulsory.

It is not going to be compulsory.

Health passports are going to be ridiculously hard to implement they can’t even manage track and trace fgs.

Get a grip

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canigooutyet · 02/12/2020 23:31

Death is the inevitable for all of us.

BernieInn · 02/12/2020 23:31

Maybe there is some weird side effect to the vaccine. Personally I'm not willing to hide under the bed and continue with the restrictions farce for the next decade to wait to find out. I'll just take my chances.

SheepandCow · 02/12/2020 23:32

@canigooutyet

Surely though if you have the vaccine, get the virus the risk of developing long covid is still there?
That's a good question. It will interesting to know more. I suspect it lowers the risk - because if somebody has a genuinely very mild case, they shouldn't suffer the inflammation and damage that a more serious case causes.

People have developed Long Covid after apparent mild cases - but not needing hospital or not suffering severe symptoms initially doesn't necessarily mean a genuine mild case. Clearly the damage was still occuring - just without being obvious.

MsSafina · 02/12/2020 23:32

I lived in Spain years ago and for children to attend school a vaccination book was necessary. There is far too much indulgence of anti vaxxers. They should be regarded as narcissistic sociopaths who care nothing about the common good.

SheepandCow · 02/12/2020 23:34

And of course, it's a while off yet because of logistics and supply (hence the put people off to cut the queue anti vaxxers), but once lots of people have been vaccinated there will be less spread - and therefore less chance of catching it and developing Long Covid. That's real herd immunity.

SheepandCow · 02/12/2020 23:35

In the short to medium term, anti vaxxers are arguably for the common good. They're altruistically stepping aside to let others gain protection first.

Doublebubblebubble · 02/12/2020 23:36

@MsSafina sounds like common sense prevails in Spain!! I've a stonger word for antivaxxers but yours has a nicer ring.

LurkingLurking2020 · 02/12/2020 23:38

This is quite informative for people who have asked some general questions about vaccines:

wellcome.org/news/seven-vital-questions-about-rna-covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-biontech-moderna?fbclid=IwAR1xrjkLBh5SLNoO9PunPEod0ZEfBwUcjcS8csk7Of8DTn2d4SeWD1znk90

Twatalert · 02/12/2020 23:39

I wonder what happens if a country decides not to approve the Pfizer vaccine.

Doublebubblebubble · 02/12/2020 23:40

@SheepandCow i totally get your point its just a shame its at the expense of their children most of the time.

SheepandCow · 02/12/2020 23:41

@Twatalert

I wonder what happens if a country decides not to approve the Pfizer vaccine.
All the other countries cheer. All the more for them.
SheepandCow · 02/12/2020 23:42

Yes true @Doublebubblebubble
That is a shame.

digthroughtheditches · 02/12/2020 23:42

@LurkingLurking2020 thank you for the link!

trulydelicious · 03/12/2020 07:24

@GoldenOmber

RNA is already 'used'. It's part of the virus, and so it's part of all vaccines that use a weakened virus. These vaccines only use a bit of the RNA, rather than the whole thing. RNA is not a mysterious new substance we don't understand

mRNA in these Covid vaccines is synthetic, so not the same as the real virus grown in a lab and inactivated.

TheyPavedParadise · 03/12/2020 07:31

I agree. Certainly when it comes to Long Covid. It is indeed utterly baffling the lack of concern about a potential long-term, possibly permanent, disability. Especially since so many people have already developed it

Yet again, people can be concerned about both. People can be both extremely concerned about catching Covid and also have some questions about the vaccine.
As I keep saying, surely when people have questions/concerns about the vaccine, surely it’s better to point them in the direction of information that may help, rather than just say ‘urgh an anti vaxxer’ or ‘but Long Covid’?

Ethelfleda · 03/12/2020 07:33

I think we have two options here

  1. Not take the vaccine and let coronavirus carry on ripping through... with lockdown after lockdown, wrecking the economy & causing probably one of the biggest mental health crisis of our lifetime... not to mention every other issue it causes.
  2. Take a vaccine which may have some long term consequences but equally, may be completely safe.

To me it’s a no-brainer.

TheyPavedParadise · 03/12/2020 07:35

And I’ve had (well, have) long Covid, by the way. Still don’t shout down people who have concerns about the vaccine. It doesn’t help.

TheyPavedParadise · 03/12/2020 07:36

@Ethelfleda

I think we have two options here
  1. Not take the vaccine and let coronavirus carry on ripping through... with lockdown after lockdown, wrecking the economy & causing probably one of the biggest mental health crisis of our lifetime... not to mention every other issue it causes.
  2. Take a vaccine which may have some long term consequences but equally, may be completely safe.

To me it’s a no-brainer.

There’s also a third option...
  1. if anyone has concerns about the vaccine, help point them in the direction of information which may allay their fears rather than accuse them of being stupid, selfish and conspiracy theorists.
trulydelicious · 03/12/2020 07:40

@GoldenOmber

Probably not narcolepsy, though, as that specific one seems to have been caused by the flu virus itself that was being used in the vaccines

This is incorrect. Latest research suggests that narcolepsy (believed to be an autoimmune condition) can be triggered either by the Pandremix vaccine or the virus itself - both

www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/07/why-pandemic-flu-shot-caused-narcolepsy

I think rabid pro-vaxxers can spread a lot of misinformation as well honestly

Ethelfleda · 03/12/2020 07:42

3) if anyone has concerns about the vaccine, help point them in the direction of information which may allay their fears rather than accuse them of being stupid, selfish and conspiracy theorists

To be clear, I absolutely do not lump anyone who merely wants answers to questions in with anti-vax. Of course you have a right to question.

I do however still believe that taking chances with a vaccine is preferable than living like this for god knows how long.

trulydelicious · 03/12/2020 07:46

@musicalfrog

People not accepting perfectly legitimate answers to those questions - you know, the ones who deliberately ignore the answers - they are the ones that really piss me off.

Why shoud they accept the answers? They don't agree with them

TrufflyPig · 03/12/2020 07:46

I don't actually think there are that many people who will actually refuse the vaccine especially of it means losing out on certain privaleges (international travel, entry to hospitality etc). Just a small minority of very vocal doubters on social media.

It's like the mask wearing, loads of online objection and moaning about 'freedom' but I've not actually seen many people not wearing them in reality.

MyPersona · 03/12/2020 07:52

[quote canigooutyet]We don't all use SM for our info,. Many of us go to source, like this one from Pfizer.

It talks about no serious risk, but mentions 1 patient had a serious issue.

It simply cannot be both.

www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine[/quote]
But that doesn’t say that 1 person had a serious ‘issue’ i.e. side effect. It says one person who had the vaccine rather than the placebo got serious Covid. That’s why the vaccine isn’t 100% effective. They haven’t said it is.

This is an issue I have observed numerous times over the past 24 hours. People posting links and implying they say something they don’t.

GoldenOmber · 03/12/2020 08:08

[quote trulydelicious]@GoldenOmber

Probably not narcolepsy, though, as that specific one seems to have been caused by the flu virus itself that was being used in the vaccines

This is incorrect. Latest research suggests that narcolepsy (believed to be an autoimmune condition) can be triggered either by the Pandremix vaccine or the virus itself - both

www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/07/why-pandemic-flu-shot-caused-narcolepsy

I think rabid pro-vaxxers can spread a lot of misinformation as well honestly[/quote]
I didn’t say it couldn’t be triggered by the Pandemrix vaccine. I said that the part of the vaccine that triggers it in the vaccine is, probably, the inactivated flu virus in the vaccine. Which would explain why both the virus and the vaccine can cause it.

It’s even in the bit of my post you quoted, so I’m not sure why you’re calling me ‘rabid’ and including me of spreading misinformation?

TamingToddler · 03/12/2020 08:16

As someone with a partner that relies on drug trials to stay well I'm on the fence. I'm happy for my partner to use injections that he's essentially a ginuea pig for, because I know it might help make him well, but I can't put into words why I don't want my son to have this covid vaccine.
The drug my partner takes released it's findings last month, 51% effective but causes the most horrendous exzema you've ever seen, imagine a burns victim and that's what he looks like on his worst days. Also chronic depression and asthma. But it's better than the alternative which is burst bowels, internal bleeding, sepsis and being incontinent (crohns disease).
If this covid vaccine is 98% effective with minor side effects then that's really good odds compared with laying in hospital on a ventilator.
I can't understand why I'm unsure about it though.