Anti vaxxers in full force today!

[Shekinah1]

I keep seeing anti vaccine threads. False info about immunity passports and that the vaccine is going to be compulsory.

It is not going to be compulsory.

Health passports are going to be ridiculously hard to implement they can’t even manage track and trace fgs.

Get a grip

Matt Hancock refused to rule out making the vaccine mandatory on national tv. Why are you shocked people are now questioning why?

My conspiracy theory is that anti vaxxers are being paid by the government. It's going to take ages to vaccinate everybody who wants it. Anti vaxxers have the job of trying to put people off - in order to cut down the queue. Their reward is... priority for the vaccine...

Report any posts that peddle blatant untruths about vaccines. Social
Media firms now have a responsibility to deal with them

I'd be delighted if one of the anti vaxxers / conspiracy theorists sat safely at home whining about having a vaccine would give me their dose. I'd be really grateful

Well if these people are genuine anti vaxxers then no doubt they will be happy to give you their dose. People who are just trying to find out more information shouldn’t be punished for that though.

People not accepting perfectly legitimate answers to those questions

People reading answers are now not allowed to come to their own conclusions based on the information provided?
Yup. Can't see anything wrong with that at all.

I've been on and off mn for just over 10 years. I've been lurking for the last 5 months and only started posting again in the last few days.

There is a ridiculous amount of antivax talk here. It's scary. I quit fb to get away from all of that.

The vaccine is safe. They wouldnt be giving it to us if it werent.

When did we all go from believing science and to believing the crackpots that live above the shops.

Also, I personally wouldnt mind a vaccine passport.

Our kids have one in the form of their red books. What harm is there in us as adults having one. Does it infringe our rights to carry one?

If you dont want this vaccine fine. Just stay away from my mum with cancer, yeah?

So how does the MHRA know the vaccine is safe longer term? I know we have looked at mRNA vaccines for years bla bla but that isn’t human studies. I’m delighted we have the human studies now but they are short term. Presumably the MHRA has extrapolated this to provide reassurance longer term?

If the vaccine did cause some weird issue (such as narcolepsy) are there moral issues from vaccinating young adults to protect older people knowing of potential side effects? Narcolepsy wasn’t found in the initial Pandremix trials (I don’t think) and it was only discovered to have a link much later.

So funny that people trust random shadowy people on Facebook over a medical scientist.

Not to worry. Your average Joe is way down the list for this jab. We'll know about any side affects after they've given it to the 'top-priority' people over the next six months, then you can make an informed choice...

We don't all use SM for our info,. Many of us go to source, like this one from Pfizer.

It talks about no serious risk, but mentions 1 patient had a serious issue.

It simply cannot be both.

www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

Ooh one patient! And how many have died from Covid or are suffering from Long Covid? I wonder what's more risky?

And yet some of the utter tripe on this thread fills me with relief! Why the shaming, for everything, what about side effects? What about ADE and T-cell immunity ( www.nature.com/articles/s41587-020-0577-1 ) why are you so upset about people questioning something brand new, not just the virus, but the vaccine? What's your issue? Don't like it so censor it, is that it?
No-one who is up to date on vaccines (children incl) is an anti-vaxxer, that's what is misinformation here. It has been stated that any of these vaccines will NOT stop the spread of this SARs virus, they will simply lessen the symptoms.
Who do you think you are labelling people like this?

@SheepandCow exactly.

Another question that should be asked
Why has been excluded from the vaccine program?
Why has the UK government issued legal protection from being sued?

Does this now change people's opinions, knowing if something goes wrong which as with all vaccines and medication, you will not be compensated.

Can you/your family take that financial risk on a vaccination that does little to offer anyone protection?

[quote canigooutyet]We don't all use SM for our info,. Many of us go to source, like this one from Pfizer.

It talks about no serious risk, but mentions 1 patient had a serious issue.

It simply cannot be both.

www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine[/quote]
It mentions one person (with the vaccine) having severe COVID caused by the virus. Not a severe reaction due to the vaccine.

This is the known outcome that the vaccine won’t work for everyone.

Baffled that anyone is not asking more questions. So much we still don’t know. Everyone should be asking more questions.

Oh I read that wrong, thanks for pointing it out Lemon.

Although that still contradicts the mild symptoms, if you get any doesn't it?

TAAT much? The potential compulsion is my thread, there is a lot of logical debate around potential back door compulsion, and the likes of The Lancet, The Who and the Nuffield Bioethics are debating exactly the same thing around vaccine passports and the ethics.

How about you join the thread and debate, rather than quite frankly wuss out and shout “anti-vaxxer” about a thread that was kick started by someone who is absolutely not anti-vax.

I’ve had them all, plus flu yearly, plus TB, Hepatitis and whatever crap they give you for various foreign travel. I have a right to question bodily autonomy without being called a conspiracy theorist and it’s really pissing me off people can’t.

‘ It has been stated that any of these vaccines will NOT stop the spread of this SARs virus, they will simply lessen the symptoms.’

Huh? The position is that the impact on spread is not known because it’s not something you can easily determine in a phase 3 study. I read something by one of the couple who led the development of the Pfizer vaccine saying he was optimistic it would help prevent spread.

@ReeseWitherfork

Baffled that anyone is not asking more questions. So much we still don’t know. Everyone should be asking more questions.

I agree. Certainly when it comes to Long Covid. It is indeed utterly baffling the lack of concern about a potential long-term, possibly permanent, disability. Especially since so many people have already developed it.

what about side effects?

Those reported so far seem pretty mild.

What about ADE and T-cell immunity

I'm satisfied that ADE would have been picked up during the trials if it was going to be an issue. I can't think why it wouldn't have done, since a lot of volunteers who had the vaccine would have been exposed to covid.

It has been stated that any of these vaccines will NOT stop the spread of this SARs virus, they will simply lessen the symptoms.

'It has been stated' by who? That was some of the speculation about what the vaccines might be able to do, before they were through trials.

For the Moderna vaccine they had these numbers.

The vaccine will give you more chance of having mild symptoms over potentially devastating symptoms. That outweighs everything for me. My mum has cancer. If I want to be able to help her. Im getting the vaccine. I want other people to get the vaccine, not just for my mum but for people like my mum whove been stuck alone during all of this shit to add to all of that I've had 4 people die of this illness where you slowly suffocate to death.

Vaccine is light at the end of the tunnel. Its not meant to be a hurdle.

Surely though if you have the vaccine, get the virus the risk of developing long covid is still there?

@canigooutyet

Getting long covid is preferable to death, no?

I'm not saying long covid is in anyway good btw just prefeable to death