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A safe space for parents and teachers who want schools fully open.

255 replies

Billie18 · 01/12/2020 23:00

What it says. Children have already been impacted by prolonged school closures, individual isolation, inadequate teaching, isolation from peers and this will have impacted on their education, psychological and social development and mental and physical health. It is concerning for the majority of parents that there is a push for schools to close.

Please no derailment. This is an important issue that will affect a whole generation. There are numerous threads here about enforcing restrictions and limiting access to schools so please discuss concerns about these issues elsewhere.

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Bollss · 02/12/2020 20:31

@Barbie222

On the whole I agree but tell a teacher they're talking shit..... You'll get bollocked by hq. Why is that?

Personal attacks are not in the spirit.

So surely telling anyone they're talking shite isn't ok if that's a personal attack?
noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 20:31

Oh gosh, Trust, could it possibly be the group who in between instructing lawyers to sue head teachers for mandating masks in their schools regularly pop over here to post the same tedious drivel they spread over other social media?

Bollss · 02/12/2020 20:32

@herecomesthsun

People who demand that covid safety levels in schools should be low, are insisting on low levels of safety in the workplace for teachers (and pupils and anyone else in there)
Posting on mumsnet isn't campaigning is it?

Do you really think it makes a difference to what's done? Mumsnet posts?

Equally the reason a lot of people want that is so they can work, and pay their bills and feed their children.

Bollss · 02/12/2020 20:32

@noblegiraffe

Oh gosh, Trust, could it possibly be the group who in between instructing lawyers to sue head teachers for mandating masks in their schools regularly pop over here to post the same tedious drivel they spread over other social media?
Oh gosh not Mumsnet posters then???
noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 20:34

Posting on mumsnet isn't campaigning is it?

That depends on whether it is a day to accuse me of running a campaign to close schools or whether it’s a day to tell me that my posts on MN are totally worthless.

What day is it today?

noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 20:35

Oh gosh not Mumsnet posters then???

What is a Mumsnet poster if not someone who posts on MN? Confused

echt · 02/12/2020 20:35

So surely telling anyone they're talking shite isn't ok if that's a personal attack?

I have had a post deleted for saying someone's arguments are shite, even when I'd taken the arguments part as well. It was construed as a personal attack. I'm scrupulous about not name-calling, (much as I'd love to at times) yet I can assure you this has happened. The quality of moderation by MNHQ is very patchy.

Bollss · 02/12/2020 20:36

@noblegiraffe

Posting on mumsnet isn't campaigning is it?

That depends on whether it is a day to accuse me of running a campaign to close schools or whether it’s a day to tell me that my posts on MN are totally worthless.

What day is it today?

Yes you might post about this every single day but it's not going to change anything is it? Just like people posting to have schools fully open won't either.

You can't deny though that you're basically saying anyone who disagrees with you is an us for them member, teaching hating horrible person. When that is not the case. Some people just disagree with your view point for literally hundreds of different reasons.

Bollss · 02/12/2020 20:36

@echt

So surely telling anyone they're talking shite isn't ok if that's a personal attack?

I have had a post deleted for saying someone's arguments are shite, even when I'd taken the arguments part as well. It was construed as a personal attack. I'm scrupulous about not name-calling, (much as I'd love to at times) yet I can assure you this has happened. The quality of moderation by MNHQ is very patchy.

That's my point it is very patchy.
echt · 02/12/2020 20:37

That should be apart, not part. Change letter, change the meaning. :o

herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 20:37

@TrustTheGeneGenieWe have quite a few posters on this board who look as if they are being paid to post (as others have commented).

We have also had the D of E asking Mumsnet HQ to post on their behalf (not a particularly helpful post, sadly).

We have had various politicians conducting web interviews on Mumsnet.

It does appear that some people regard this board as worth engaging with.

I'm glad to have @noblegiraffe's perspective to balance some of the others.

echt · 02/12/2020 20:38

What is it with a???? I constantly miss it out. Grrrr.

Bollss · 02/12/2020 20:39

[quote herecomesthsun]@TrustTheGeneGenieWe have quite a few posters on this board who look as if they are being paid to post (as others have commented).

We have also had the D of E asking Mumsnet HQ to post on their behalf (not a particularly helpful post, sadly).

We have had various politicians conducting web interviews on Mumsnet.

It does appear that some people regard this board as worth engaging with.

I'm glad to have @noblegiraffe's perspective to balance some of the others.[/quote]
You have no idea whether they're being paid to post, it's just something you've assumed because they disagree with you. Who do you think is paying them?

It's nice to see every side of the argument, sure, but shutting people down because they don't agree with you helps nobody. Similarly saying oh you must be in us for them / a paid poster / a bad person because you don't agree isn't helpful either.

noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 20:40

You can't deny though that you're basically saying anyone who disagrees with you is an us for them member, teaching hating horrible person

God you’re bad at this.

Disagreement is, as I said before, ‘I disagree with masks in classrooms as they could interfere with the teaching of phonics’. Terrible person is not wanting any safety measures for teachers so that your child isn’t even slightly inconvenienced by being in the middle of a pandemic.

Bollss · 02/12/2020 20:41

@noblegiraffe

You can't deny though that you're basically saying anyone who disagrees with you is an us for them member, teaching hating horrible person

God you’re bad at this.

Disagreement is, as I said before, ‘I disagree with masks in classrooms as they could interfere with the teaching of phonics’. Terrible person is not wanting any safety measures for teachers so that your child isn’t even slightly inconvenienced by being in the middle of a pandemic.

But you're saying that everyone who disagrees wants that and is therefore " a bad person" but they're not are they? You've just decided they are. Stop pretending it's about slight inconvenience.
noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 20:42

But you're saying that everyone who disagrees wants that

Nope.

Bollss · 02/12/2020 20:44

@noblegiraffe

But you're saying that everyone who disagrees wants that

Nope.

Yes you are! Because even if you don't want masks because of phonics, you still don't want masks and therefore you don't want a safer working environment for teachers. And in your mind, that means you're a bad person.

Is needing your child in school so you can work and feed them a good reason? Or does that make you a bad person?

herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 20:45

I have never said I don't think that someone was a" bad person".

It is a recognised phenomenon that there may be paid posters on here but that regular posters seem to pick up on it quickly Grin.

Unfortunately this is part of the overall picture of political persuasion these days.

It's difficult to know whether any particular poster might be such, but I can think of a recent boot of someone many of us noticed which may well have been such a case.

noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 20:45

Yes you are!

Nope. You keep putting words in my mouth and getting it wrong. Really tedious.

Bollss · 02/12/2020 20:47

@noblegiraffe

Yes you are!

Nope. You keep putting words in my mouth and getting it wrong. Really tedious.

What's tedious is you denying what you've constantly bleated on about for the past 8 months.
herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 20:49

This getting very confusing.

Is this the point at which I should think of posting a daffodil?

Basically, I think there should be options for those of us who want schools to be safe.

If the government can't or won't provide safety then we should be allowed to homeschool our kids till we get a vaccine.

And we need to fund education properly in this country. because it would be better for our kids and our workforce and our economy. Smaller classes and more teachers.

noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 20:49

What's tedious is you denying what you've constantly bleated on about for the past 8 months.

Government incompetence? The need for more mitigation measures in schools to keep them open?

noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 20:50

Is this the point at which I should think of posting a daffodil?

Probably about a page ago but you’ve definitely got the right idea.

herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 20:54

Well look I won't post a daffodil, in case that causes bad feeling.

I'll post WHO Key Messages and Actions for COVID-19 Prevention and Control in Schools

here

It's only 13 pages long, There's not much on it about perspex screens, but there are lots of other mitigation measures that we aren't doing and that we could usefully adopt. If, that is, we want out schools to be Safe Spaces Smile

Bollss · 02/12/2020 20:55

@herecomesthsun

This getting very confusing.

Is this the point at which I should think of posting a daffodil?

Basically, I think there should be options for those of us who want schools to be safe.

If the government can't or won't provide safety then we should be allowed to homeschool our kids till we get a vaccine.

And we need to fund education properly in this country. because it would be better for our kids and our workforce and our economy. Smaller classes and more teachers.

I agree if you want to keep your kids home you should be allowed to. I've never disagreed with that. Though it does pose an issue with vulnerable children.

I also agree schools need more funding. I've never said otherwise.

What I don't agree with is all the extra "you're killing teachers" bollocks on top of it.

The daffodil comment says much more about you than it does about me