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A safe space for parents and teachers who want schools fully open.

255 replies

Billie18 · 01/12/2020 23:00

What it says. Children have already been impacted by prolonged school closures, individual isolation, inadequate teaching, isolation from peers and this will have impacted on their education, psychological and social development and mental and physical health. It is concerning for the majority of parents that there is a push for schools to close.

Please no derailment. This is an important issue that will affect a whole generation. There are numerous threads here about enforcing restrictions and limiting access to schools so please discuss concerns about these issues elsewhere.

OP posts:
herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 19:04

Maybe as opposed to flowers we could have masks, vaccine vials and perspex screen emojis? for people who want to support a scientific approach?

Or a little Japanese flag maybe?

Bollss · 02/12/2020 19:05

@herecomesthsun

Maybe as opposed to flowers we could have masks, vaccine vials and perspex screen emojis? for people who want to support a scientific approach?

Or a little Japanese flag maybe?

Or you could just not be passive aggressive and accept not everyone has to agree with you? Why do you feel you need to shut down the conversation?
CallmeAngelina · 02/12/2020 19:18

@TrustTheGeneGenie, Sorry, but how am I being a hypocrite?

herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 19:20

@TrustTheGeneGenie

you what?

Bollss · 02/12/2020 19:29

[quote CallmeAngelina]@TrustTheGeneGenie, Sorry, but how am I being a hypocrite?[/quote]
Piling on a thread that is specifically for people of the opposite viewpoint. You know like you don't like people commenting on the teachers threads?

Bollss · 02/12/2020 19:30

[quote herecomesthsun]@TrustTheGeneGenie

you what?[/quote]
The flowers were posted as a "fuck you" and you're suggesting doing that again with other emojis?

echt · 02/12/2020 19:31

Oh have they stopped? Is that because mn finally decided that they weren't in the spirit and were actually quite nasty? I see

I put up a flower.

Better than telling a poster to fuck off. Smile

Bollss · 02/12/2020 19:33

@echt

Oh have they stopped? Is that because mn finally decided that they weren't in the spirit and were actually quite nasty? I see

I put up a flower.

Better than telling a poster to fuck off. Smile

It's exactly the same?
herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 19:38

I never heard of or saw flowers being used like that. I like daffodils, I'm Welsh. They could be quite a pleasant way of communicating surely, you know, make peace not war?

Is someone confusing them with biscuits?

noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 19:39

They were a bit like biscuits but also as a reminder to other teachers not to engage with bad faith posters.

whereisGavin · 02/12/2020 19:44

But trust you aren't engaging with the OP either. You just came on here to tell people off.

pastandpresent · 02/12/2020 19:44

@herecomesthsun

😷🎌Grin

Bollss · 02/12/2020 19:44

@noblegiraffe

They were a bit like biscuits but also as a reminder to other teachers not to engage with bad faith posters.
They were a way of shutting down the conversation when people didn't blindly agree with you, and they often were used as a fuck off.
Bollss · 02/12/2020 19:45

@whereisGavin

But trust you aren't engaging with the OP either. You just came on here to tell people off.
I came here to point out the huge hypocrisy of some posters. That's allowed, right?

I don't have the opposite viewpoint to the op, I am not bashing her etc. Defending her right to have a thread just like the teachers want their threads.

Bollss · 02/12/2020 19:45

@herecomesthsun

I never heard of or saw flowers being used like that. I like daffodils, I'm Welsh. They could be quite a pleasant way of communicating surely, you know, make peace not war?

Is someone confusing them with biscuits?

No, I'm not confusing them.
herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 19:47

Anyway, we have threads with very distressed CEV posters posting for help, and heartless harpies going on and being very harsh, poohpoohing their concerns, telling them to deregister their SEN children from specialist placements and all sorts.

So if CEV people, vulnerable in all sorts of ways, can't have a purely supportive thread, I don't think that people in rude health specifically wanting schools to be unsafe should have a thread solely confined to their own bespoke prejudices, without reasoned argument from other parties.

Bollss · 02/12/2020 19:48

@herecomesthsun

Anyway, we have threads with very distressed CEV posters posting for help, and heartless harpies going on and being very harsh, poohpoohing their concerns, telling them to deregister their SEN children from specialist placements and all sorts.

So if CEV people, vulnerable in all sorts of ways, can't have a purely supportive thread, I don't think that people in rude health specifically wanting schools to be unsafe should have a thread solely confined to their own bespoke prejudices, without reasoned argument from other parties.

So why do teachers think they can have that then?

One rule for them?

herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 19:48

In case you hadn't noticed, people with different views to @noblegiraffe do occasionally post the odd comment on her threads.

LastGoldenDaysOfSummer · 02/12/2020 19:48

Not sure why those of us who support teachers shouldn't be allowed in this thread. A new dictat from HQ?

The teacher hating trolls are always all over noble's threads.

noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 19:50

@herecomesthsun

In case you hadn't noticed, people with different views to *@noblegiraffe* do occasionally post the odd comment on her threads.
Grin I do seem to attract them!
worriedaboutmyboytoday · 02/12/2020 19:50

I'm a parent. I want schools to be fully open.

But I'm not sure how that can be achieved with so many teachers and pupils unwell with CV or self isolating as per government guidelines.

Are you proposing that the country as a whole abandons self isolating if you or someone in your household tests + for covid or just schools Billie18?

I don't understand how letting covid become even more prevalent in the population thus causing more people to be ill is compatible with any institution that relies on people working in it to be fully open.

Have I missed something?

herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 19:51

@TrustTheGeneGenie Here are some very odd comments, in case they had passed you by.

‘MrsMiaWallis WouldBeGood MrsMigginsMate

‘Omg I'm actually chuckling to myself over this. Noble you are so defensive and so ready for a fight that you can't even see when someone supports you.’

‘It just doesn't seem worth the level of obsession when it has no practical effect whatsoever.’

‘you need your head examined.’

‘No. Schools are fine. Keep them open.

They can’t be that deadly as @noblegiraffe is still going strong months in. ‘

‘It’s quite disturbing to refer to oneself in the third person though.’

‘Why are you being flippant with the poster who said this can't be good for your mental health? This isn't the same as undermining you by questioning your mental health like you wrote in your first post so don't refer back to that as if they're doing what you predicted. Its a valid statement, and has to be true. You keep making these threads over and over as if people on Mumsnet somehow have the power to change things for you. People have written to their MPs but really that's the limit of what can be achieved when you keep the campaign to a single forum. I'm not sure it's going to change anything to keep on putting yourself forward to be verbally beaten up by the fringes when the vast majority here have already heard your evidence and agree with your position. In fact all it will probably achieve is frustration for you.’

‘Answer the question. Why are you ignoring it? Your OP implies people question your mental health as a way to undermine your argument and invalidate your position. The PP I refer to was not doing this. I was trying to explain that she had a reasonable point that continuing to be verbally abused online can't be good for anyone. This is not the same as saying you currently have a mental health issue that is affecting your viewpoint. Stop using this catchphrase as a way to tell people to "talk to the hand", it's such a silly way to get out of discussion especially when inappropriately used like this.

I actually agree with pretty much everything you say but by God you can be incredibly frustrating to read in some of these threads.’

‘I was trying to explain that someone commenting that these threads can't be good for noble's mental health is not necessarily undermining her, there could be a real impact on anybody's mental health when constantly faced with trolls online.’

‘As seems to the norm in these threads a lot of lurking posters are completely ignored when they try to interact....or torn apart for no reason. Its no wonder people are put off from engaging with the subject is it.’

‘Noone wants to shut you up noble, don't be paranoid.

You carry on posting if you want. It must be bloody exhausting though.’

‘Omg I'm actually chuckling to myself over this. Noble you are so defensive and so ready for a fight that you can't even see when someone supports you. I didn't say your thread was a pointless waste of time, I said limiting the campaign to Mumsnet can only achieve so much. The two are very different statements. And therefore I have not told you to shut up, I've pointed out a fact - for any of us posting online there will be a certain degree of abuse thrown at us and therefore it is not unreasonable for people to worry about this on your behalf if they support you.

This is why so many people are put off by these threads, there isn't much in the way of civil discussion to be had now it's descended into a warzone, anyone who dares stick their head above the parapet is piled on for often daft reasons that aren't really an issue.’

‘This isn't a campaign. It's a thread on mumsnet.’

‘Sometimes the things we need to hear aren't the things we like I'm afraid.’

‘I mean sure noble, you crack on. But it is clear that you are bothered by lots of people including me for some reason. shrug. ‘

Bollss · 02/12/2020 19:57

@LastGoldenDaysOfSummer

Not sure why those of us who support teachers shouldn't be allowed in this thread. A new dictat from HQ?

The teacher hating trolls are always all over noble's threads.

Teacher hating? Or people just disagreeing
herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 19:59

Like people are disagreeing on here

#resists the temptation to post a daffodil.

Bollss · 02/12/2020 20:00

@herecomesthsun

Like people are disagreeing on here

#resists the temptation to post a daffodil.

Disagreeing doesn't equal teacher hating though does it?
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