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noblegiraffe wants SAFER schools not closed schools. Do you?

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noblegiraffe · 01/12/2020 20:19

I'm sure my username in the title will be a red rag to a bull but anyway, if it's there it can't be denied any more. As you'll be aware if you've spent much time on this section, I post regularly about the situation in schools, particularly secondary schools (my patch). Secondary school children are the most infected subset of the population and lack of mitigation measures in schools is causing chaos. www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55145313

I have consistently argued for improving mitigation measures in schools in order to reduce transmission, keep schools open for more pupils and to make them safer for teachers, school staff, and vulnerable pupils.

On these threads I have been routinely abused. I've my mental health called into question, my suitability as a teacher, whether I am harming my pupils by being concerned about school safety. I've been questioned as to whether I'm actually a teacher, whether I work for a union or have some secret agenda (aside from my openly stated one to widen awareness of the school situation and my desire for improved safety). The constant refrain has been that I want schools closed. Firstly I was openly told that I wanted schools closed, then that I secretly wanted schools closed. The data I was posting was so bad that it must be a stealth campaign to close schools. That making schools safer is impossible (such a can't-do attitude) so arguing to make them safer is an argument to close them.

And now, there's just this lie constantly posted that there's a massive campaign on MN to close schools. Posts on threads about a 'vocal poster' (i.e. me) who is constantly arguing for this, with an 'echo chamber' of teachers agreeing. It's horseshit.

I think there's a group of posters who see this as a bit of fun. Posting crap and winding up teachers is some sort of weird hobby for them. They have no skin in the game.

But this isn't a game. It's not a hypothetical argument. It's a genuine health and safety issue. I've seen colleagues go down with covid after spending time in classrooms with positive cases. I know a teacher who has been off for months having had it. Fellow teachers on here are catching it. One had to be blue-lighted to hospital. Teachers and school workers are in intensive care or sadly dying. We don't know how many, because this data isn't being published. We don't know how many teachers are off school, because the DfE have deliberately stopped publishing that data.

The situation in schools is not safe. It can be made safer. If you think 'but my school is safe, we've had no/few cases', then please be aware of how quickly things can change, and maybe getting preventative measures in beforehand might be desirable.

My top wish list is:

Mass testing in schools. Particularly when there is a positive case the whole bubble should be tested, to enable effective and targeted isolation and to flush out asymptomatic cases.

Scrapping the policy of only sending home close contacts. It's not working. Relying on children with covid to display the three main adult symptoms is pathetically unreliable as a way of identifying cases and isolating at-risk students. Testing should replace this.

Masks in secondary classrooms (with obvious exemptions and workarounds where needed. This is managed internationally, why should we not be able to?).

Funding for schools to improve ventilation where inadequate and for extra heating to keep the windows open.

No fines for ECV families.

Transparency around schools data, regularly published so the government can be held properly to account.

I don't want schools to close. I want them to be made safer so that they stay open longer to more pupils. If you agree with the premise, parent or teacher, even if you have a different wish list of how to achieve this, please post in support.

Thank you.

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LadyPenelope68 · 02/12/2020 14:46

Totally agree with everything you’ve said there @noblegiraffe. I’ve had private messages absolutely slagging me off when I’ve said schools should be closed “until they’re safe”, not closed full stop, or that I don’t feel safe. I think you’ve put this extremely well.

LadyPenelope68 · 02/12/2020 14:49

@MrsMiaWallis
Hopefully the initial Pfizer vaccine will be given to teachers then this issue won't be one any more.
Education staff aren’t on any of the proposed lists for regular testing or vaccine.

EvilPea · 02/12/2020 14:53

Absolutely agree.
It’s not closing the schools, it’s about making them safe so they can stay open.
Unplanned closures and inconsistent learning does no one any good.

starrynight19 · 02/12/2020 15:42

ProfTimSpector

starrynight19
What are the main symptoms you are finding in children who test positive ?
It seems that the three symptoms children are being asked to test for are mainly adult symptoms and not children.
The top five symptoms in school aged children who test positive for COVID are; fatigue (55%) headache (53%), fever (49%), sore throat (38%) and loss of appetite (35%).

From this afternoons webchat on mn with regards to the Zoe ap.
why aren’t children being asked to test for these symptoms ?

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 02/12/2020 17:03

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MrsMiaWallis · 02/12/2020 17:06

What a weird thing to do.

CallmeAngelina · 02/12/2020 17:07

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch, the one that made me gasp was the sheer patronising cheek of, "Sometimes the things we need to hear aren't the things we like I'm afraid."

Like it's that poster's job to tell Noble (or anyone else, for that matter) what she needs to hear!

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 02/12/2020 17:07

@CallmeAngelina the posting style seems very familiar to me...

MrsMiaWallis · 02/12/2020 17:08

[quote LadyPenelope68]@MrsMiaWallis
Hopefully the initial Pfizer vaccine will be given to teachers then this issue won't be one any more.
Education staff aren’t on any of the proposed lists for regular testing or vaccine.[/quote]
The health correspondent on the BBC news at lunchtime said teachers were on the list of people with people facing jobs who would benefit from early vaccination.

CallmeAngelina · 02/12/2020 17:09

@MrsMiaWallis

What a weird thing to do.
Not weird at all. Miles has been very helpful on previous threads with her collations of bat-shittery. It's interesting to see it all written down in one post and helps to remind one that we're not imagining all the bashing.
noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 17:09

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch Omg my own personal list, like Christmas come early! I actually love you Grin

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MrsMiaWallis · 02/12/2020 17:10

Can't you just go back and read the thread?

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 02/12/2020 17:10

Merry Christmas noble Xmas Grin

CallmeAngelina · 02/12/2020 17:11

@MrsMiaWallis

Can't you just go back and read the thread?
It's often like wading through treacle. Or worse.
Mookie81 · 02/12/2020 17:11

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Mookie81 · 02/12/2020 17:11

@MrsMiaWallis

What a weird thing to do.
Add it to the list!
MrsMiaWallis · 02/12/2020 17:12

Some of those comments aren't shitty though, they just aren't agreeing.

CallmeAngelina · 02/12/2020 17:12

@Mookie81, You're kind of proving Miles's point.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 02/12/2020 17:13

Got do go and do stuff, but I'll pop back later and see if there are any more supportive comments.

Reeling from the vaccine news here, and have to use that nervous energy for something!

(You should all be worried about my mental health).

Piggywaspushed · 02/12/2020 17:16

Sure, we'd benefit mia but it isn't going to happen. We don't get flu jab. I hear of some schools that organise flu jabs but that isn't because of a priority list.

MrsMiaWallis · 02/12/2020 17:18

Except you'll all get it eventually of course, particularly if vulnerable or over 50.

MrsMiaWallis · 02/12/2020 17:18

(Ditto flu jabs)

IloveJKRowling · 02/12/2020 17:23

Tim Spector also followed up with this:

Varjakpaw posted this:
You seem really confident both in the difference of symptoms in children v's adults, and the time frame for spreading infection. Is this likely to be passed to/from the DfE any time soon? Schools seem to have very different advice are are still insisting on temp/cough.
Prof Spector said:
@Varjakpaw we'll try to discuss this with the DofH to change the advice for schools. We're willing to share our data with the DofE, who sound a little out of date. hmm

IloveJKRowling · 02/12/2020 17:23

Let's hope they listen to Prof Spector, even if they won't listen to teachers.

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