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So the vaccine is going to be compulsory then?

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Gigheimer · 30/11/2020 23:12

There was a thread ages ago about the fact people were being tin foil hat about a vaccine being compulsory.

Latest news out they are considering “vaccine passports”, which lets face it, on our news cycle throughout this entire thing it’s been ... prepare them gently with maybes, odd leak here or there, test the messaging, oh look the guesses were right Hmm

So no one is going to pin anyone down and spear them, but it’s basically the same thing. If you can’t enter a shop/leisure/work place domestically without a vaccine. It’s fucking compulsory.

Where did free will go? Where did vaccine uptake because we have trust go? I’m not anti-vaccine, had them all, even TB. But this isn’t on I terms of civil liberties. Does no one else feel concern at a general use of this crisis into nanny state?

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Gancanny · 01/12/2020 00:37

Thalidomide wasn't a vaccine.

Medicine has moved on a lot since Thalidomide was used.

The 'new tech for delivery'? It'll be delivered via syringe, hardly new.

One in every 55,000 swine flu vaccines (given to over 6 million people) caused permanent narcolepsy in 2010.

The risk of narcolepsy was found to be around 1 in 57,000 however there was some debate about whether this was overstated as narcolepsy can be difficult to diagnose in children of that age so I was unclear how many if them would have developed narcolepsy anyway or whether the vaccine was the cause in all cases. Either way, at that time the risk of contracting swine flu and associated complications was greater than the small risk from the vaccine.

PiratePetespajamas · 01/12/2020 00:38

@Gigheimer

“So you’re all ok for your kids to have it, even when it poses close to zero risk to them? Not proven over the long term, the risk of vaccine damage is a real thing, usually outweighed by the risk of the disease itself.

Hence why I fully support the MMR.

The risk of vaccine damage from this outweighs the disease for kids. Still ok?“

Ah but here’s the rub: the kids can’t have it. Not yet. The vaccines haven’t been tested on the under 18s and it will likely be some time before they are. So in order to protect the kids from getting it, the adults have to have herd immunity. That’s around 80% uptake. So, yes, I’ll be having it to protect my kids and the kids of others, and I expect others to do the same.

Username198 · 01/12/2020 00:39

I think the OP makes very reasonable points and not sure why people have jumped to the conclusion she’s anti-vaxx. There is a risk element to any new medical treatment and surely it is up to individuals to decide whether the risk of the vaccine is greater than the risk of virus for them.

Ok so hopefully it transpires there are no side effects and the vaccine is perfect but say that’s not the case and previously healthy people suffer debilitating consequences. Why is their health less important than those that are more susceptible to the virus?

JassyRadlett · 01/12/2020 00:41

Ultimately, OP, you’d prefer that the services NZ mentioned - bars, pubs, cinemas, sporting and leisure venues - be restricted to all, more businesses fail, more lives be ruined and no one have access to those services for long periods of time, than for some people to have access to them but you miss out.

If you can’t have the nice things, no one should have them, eh?

What’s your threshold for considering any vaccine safe? What length of trials, what cohort sizes? If you think the current trials are not good enough, you must have a view on what would constitute adequacy.

Summerdayshaze · 01/12/2020 00:44

Take some social responsibility and roll your sleeve up. People like you are why we might never get back to normal and end this agony.

Unsure33 · 01/12/2020 00:49

@Gigheimer

Yes because I have a real problem with your thread title.

The vaccine is not compulsory.

If countries insist on the vaccine to travel and you don’t want it then don’t travel .

If you are saying life will be different then yes of course it will be . But many brave unselfish people have trialled this vaccine . And yes of course there may be a risk . But there is a risk of dieing from covid or suffering long covid . And You are free to make that decision.

You have a choice .

BashfulClam · 01/12/2020 00:52

The ting is this has been tested, it’s not rushed, most vaccines stall at funding etc, this was not a problem as money was thrown at this. There has been ongoing research for several years into established coronaviruses and this has been used to bring this forward. I’ll be there as soon my as they let me.

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Gigheimer · 01/12/2020 00:56

How am I an anti vaxxer when I and my children have had all our vaccines?

Or is it the assumption that because I dare to question the removal of personal choice that I absolutely MUST be a tin foil hatter. Does that in itself, the absolute unquestioning not concern you?

And Jassy no. You want to block me from large scale gatherings go ahead. You want to block people from being able to work, travel (domestically) and work. Starts to be a problem. There is “optional” then there is “essential activities. They can block the optional as much as they please, still not entirely in agreement but ok. Fine would accept that.

But you start to block essential and it’s compulsory.

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lunar1 · 01/12/2020 00:56

I'll be having the vaccine ASAP, I'll pick places to go that make it mandatory. You can pick placed that don't.

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Gigheimer · 01/12/2020 00:59

Ophelia right back at you, I think you’ll find anything other than blind unquestioning acceptance to popular opinion is actually the bullying culture here. I’ll refrain from repeating your other word as its childish.

GanCanny MNRA tech is new. Don’t be ridiculous about syringes.

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Gigheimer · 01/12/2020 01:00

Lunar totally support your right to do so. But those places should be base needed to function in society.

Also totally support and would actively encourage my parents to have it (which we’ve discussed and they will) as their reward outweighs their risk. But it should STILL be their free choice.

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supersplodge · 01/12/2020 01:01

@AldiAisleofCrap

Good, if you are to selfish to protect the vulnerable who can’t be vaccinated, then I am not going to lose sleep if you can’t go on holiday or to your local pub.
This!! I've never heard such utter crap! It's not about free will, it's about common sense and caring about others. Whyever wouldn't you have the vaccine?

But if people really want to be bolshy - fine. They can look at the ramifications and make their own (selfish) choices. As a PP said - you can insist on carrying bottles of liquid, you just won't be allowed on a plane. So if you don't want the jab, don't expect to be able to travel on a train or go to a restaurant. Your life, your choice.

RayOfSunshine2013 · 01/12/2020 01:05

@Gigheimer

How am I an anti vaxxer when I and my children have had all our vaccines?

Or is it the assumption that because I dare to question the removal of personal choice that I absolutely MUST be a tin foil hatter. Does that in itself, the absolute unquestioning not concern you?

And Jassy no. You want to block me from large scale gatherings go ahead. You want to block people from being able to work, travel (domestically) and work. Starts to be a problem. There is “optional” then there is “essential activities. They can block the optional as much as they please, still not entirely in agreement but ok. Fine would accept that.

But you start to block essential and it’s compulsory.

You aren’t allowed to disagree with these people. They’re happy to be locked away in their houses for almost a year and then be given a vaccine to allow them back out to live a normal life without question “because the government say so”

The world has gone MAD

RayOfSunshine2013 · 01/12/2020 01:08

As for the not being allowed on public transport or into a restaurant without proof of Covid vaccine - does nobody else find this very weird!?

Bus pass please, Covid vaccine proof please Hmm

Table for two, yes sure can I see your Covid vaccine proof Hmm

Bizzare. I completely welcome being called selfish but it’s not right at all. And I’m a HCP.

Shopgirl1 · 01/12/2020 01:11

@lunar1

I'll be having the vaccine ASAP, I'll pick places to go that make it mandatory. You can pick placed that don't.
Why ? If you are vaccines why does it matter to you?
Krocsyldiphic · 01/12/2020 01:11

Totally agree with you OP

ScottishStottie · 01/12/2020 01:11

Well if we dont all get a vaccine and restrictions continue then I won't have a job.

If your workplace is likely to enforce vaccines and you dont want one, then you need to find emplyment that allows you to work from home is its quite rightly one of the few places you are allowed to be in

Unsure33 · 01/12/2020 01:13

@RayOfSunshine2013

Has this actually happened yet or are you just making a hypothetical point ?

If so why?

Don’t you think we can all do our research and make up our own minds ?

Kljnmw3459 · 01/12/2020 01:13

I'm not rushing to get the vaccine but I'm still planning to live my life as normal without it. If it means wearing a mask or staying 6 feet from others then so be it.

SirChing · 01/12/2020 01:14

So what happens to people who can't have the vaccine for health reasons? If they will be denied access to places without a vaccine record, this has the effect of isolating them from society. Which is ironic as those people who CAN'T have the vaccine are often used to support the concept of others having it where possible. If the actuality is that the CEV can't go anywhere due to not having a vaccine passport, then it sort of makes a mockery of the argument to have it, in order to protect the vulnerable.

Coyoacan · 01/12/2020 01:16

@Firefliess

If you're not vaccinated you're a risk to the health of others who can't have the vaccine

How are those people who can't have the vaccine going to fly, go to concerts and shop?

LangClegsInSpace · 01/12/2020 01:19

We don't even know yet whether any of the vaccines actually provide immunity (i.e. prevent you from catching it and passing it on) or whether they just prevent you from becoming unwell if you catch it.

There won't be enough vaccine for everyone who wants one for at least a year anyway and an 'immunity passport' run by T&T would be just as useless as everything else they've done. It doesn't seem 5 minutes since we had loads of threads about businesses refusing admission to people who hadn't D/L the app.

Coyoacan · 01/12/2020 01:20

I find it odd all this emphasis on everyone having the vaccine, when there are something like nine billion people in the world. I think we'll be lucky if the people who really need it can be vaccinated within the next six months.

I worry that first world countries are planning to buy up all the vaccines so that they can vaccinate lots of people who are minimally at risk and leave the vulnerable in the third world without a vaccine.

BrummyMum1 · 01/12/2020 01:21

There are already some other vaccines that are compulsory for travelling to certain countries from certain other countries. So this is nothing new.

^This. I had a load of vaccinations to go travelling years ago. I wanted to go somewhere nice that was trying to irradiate a serious illness/virus. This is the same.

blueshoes · 01/12/2020 01:24

How long would the vaccination last? Do I need to get topped up or 'renew' my vaccination passport?

I don't get the flu jab even though my office offers it for free. I have already had covid and tested positive twice for antibodies. I hate needles and don't fancy an endless round of jabs.