So the vaccine is going to be compulsory then?

[Gigheimer]

There was a thread ages ago about the fact people were being tin foil hat about a vaccine being compulsory.

Latest news out they are considering “vaccine passports”, which lets face it, on our news cycle throughout this entire thing it’s been ... prepare them gently with maybes, odd leak here or there, test the messaging, oh look the guesses were right

So no one is going to pin anyone down and spear them, but it’s basically the same thing. If you can’t enter a shop/leisure/work place domestically without a vaccine. It’s fucking compulsory.

Where did free will go? Where did vaccine uptake because we have trust go? I’m not anti-vaccine, had them all, even TB. But this isn’t on I terms of civil liberties. Does no one else feel concern at a general use of this crisis into nanny state?

[quote ElinoristhenewEnid]@trulydelicious. Consultant has stated'dont touch covid vaccine with a barge pole at the moment' due to possible reaction. [/quote]
They will probably react to Covid itself though so it's a no-win situation. I have a tendency to react to injections but I think the AstraZeneca one (which is the one most of us will get) will probably be okay. I'm going to risk it anyway as Covid will probably be worse.

Teateat so I’ve been labelled an anti vaxxer due to my questioning of this being made compulsory (in theory), I fall in that camp of “ha that’s funny” and lacking in critical thinking? My arguments so far show I’m uneducated? Not that we disagree but that I’m educated only by fear and YouTube.

Well you started off on a very faulty premise,since there won't be anything mandatory about anything, so what really can you expect?

@teateateateateamoretea

And yet you think a safe vaccine with trials data to reassure is only possible with a ten year lead time

Thats not even slightly what I said.

Come on now, you seem well able to string a cogent thought together, you can do better than that!

Think you'll find that's exactly what you said, I suggested people are given information about a well tested vaccine in lieux of force tactics, you said it can happen if we are prepared to wait ten years. Memory problems is it?

Straw manning?

Do you mean pointing out the inaccuracies being thrown out?

Think you'll find that's exactly what you said, I suggested people are given information about a well tested vaccine in lieux of force tactics, you said it can happen if we are prepared to wait ten years. Memory problems is it?

Not in the slightest. Read again what you wrote, and what I answered. If you're still confused, maybe there is a child who could draw you an explanatory picture. With crayons.

I don't think a vaccine should be compulsory, but thank goodness everyone who received the first smallpox vaccines didn't go "no thank you, I'll wait ten years so everyone else can be the guinea pig".

teateateateateamoretea 😆 ok

@ElinoristhenewEnid

Helpful to know. Thanks

@pucelleauxblanchesmains

I don't think a vaccine should be compulsory, but thank goodness everyone who received the first smallpox vaccines didn't go "no thank you, I'll wait ten years so everyone else can be the guinea pig".

I wonder how long it took to make the small pox vaccine and how long it was tested before it was "rolled out". I suppose it wasn't tested in the same way as vaccines are tested now and the ethics round that were probably different.

Well you started off on a very faulty premise,since there won't be anything mandatory about anything, so what really can you expect?

That’s a very weak answer as you haven’t actually engaged with any of the facts around the original premise, nor have you responded to the actual question. Oh dear.

I am delighted that the vaccine roll out is going ahead soon starting with the most vulnerable who need protecting.

The government did say that it would not be compulsory, indeed there are not enough doses to cover everyone anyway. Private businesses may or may not want people to enter very busy area that have the protection of the vaccine - that is their choice.

Two separate issues there.

I cannot wait to get my vaccine. I want life to return to how it was before

Creep creep creep goes the PR machine that absolutely definitely wasn’t going to happen.

Remember when we tested the (excellent) 5p plastic bag charge in Wales first? And the time Wales locked down again but the PM definitely didn’t want to do it...

Every abusive man ever - “I don’t want to do it but if you make me”...

Timein news also just in, the most vulnerable standing out like a beacon in the figures are care home residents. Indicated in the governments own planning they are first on the list as vulnerable.

Guess who WONT be getting it first, as indicated by BoJos recent comments “there are logistical issues getting the vaccine to the elderly and their carers...

You don't need to be a reader of dystopian fiction to see how this can become something it shouldn't be and therefore not entered into lightly. Yet the narrative is that it's virtually a no-brainer.

This vaccine was never intended for care homes. The logistics of it have been widely discussed since it was announced.

And they aren't issuing passports, it's the usual vaccine yellow card! Don't fall for media hype?

The Welsh system seems exactly the same as the 'yellow book' International Vaccine Certificate that has been around for decades

OP I think you are getting your knickers in a big twist over this unnecessarily.

There a difference between a vaccine choice when the majority of people have been vaccinated and a vaccine choice when few people have been vaccinated.

Yes to begin with if you chose not to have the vaccine then you choose not to go on an airplane or attend large gatherings.

This way everyone knows they are safe and can go about their business as usual.

Once the program is rolled out and the majority of people have been vaccinated and the number of cases and deaths fall dramatically to a place where it can be managed, then those restrictions will be lifted.

It’s not a ‘banned for life’ but a wait til we’re all sorted.

Then you will be free to be unvaccinated and enjoy your freedoms

You’re being over dramatic.

I went for the flu jab few weeks ago and was never handed a yellow card to prove it to people. Are my Drs crap? Also never given one when I had hepatitis vaccine or the TB?

Yes Bluebells me and the guys over at Liberty Human Rights Group, The WHO, The Nuffield Council on Bioethics and The Lancet who are debating the issue too, all have our knickers in a twist.

I’ll let them know, and tell them to knock off watching Icke on YouTube.

No idea how old you are Gigheimer but it might be a long time before you can get it anyway if you are classified as 'rest of the population' but don't worry us old 'uns who are having it will show up any problems, me and DH are way up the list!

Not old enough to be priority but have asthma so higher than some. I haven’t said I won’t get it. I’ve said I want the freedom to choose

My parents are up the list and have their sleeves up ready, sister is a key worker with asthma she’s up there too, and I’m ok with that!

I am coming back to this thread to say that I think some people (me included) have spectactualt missed the pint here.

The vaccine has only been proven to prevent the illness. It has not been proven to prevent transmission.

Therefore there is no compelling need for everyone to be vaccinated, only those who are likely to be seriously ill. Yes I know about long covid, and there is no harm in having the vaccine to help yourself, but there is currently no evidence that having it will prevent me passing to someone in a supermarket (especially if they have been vaccinated anyway).

Therefore no need for proof someone has been vaccinated (countries may require it because they don't want to have to deal with medical care for foreigners).

So if you want the vaccine, have it. But there's nothing to be gained by (effectively) forced vaccination.

spectacularly missed the POINT (probably missed pints too!)