Test and Trace is 'working on making immunity passports to allow Brits to prove they have been vaccinated against Covid-19 using NHS app'

[trulydelicious]

Just seen this

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9000479/Test-Trace-working-making-immunity-passports.html#reader-comments

This is getting out of control now in my view and all this rethoric is disturbing and irresponsible.

Nobody should be coerced into having vaccines:

1. that use new technology
2. for which long term side effects are not known (precisely because the technology for most of them is new)
3. when pharmaceutical companies producing them are bearing no responsibility for potential side effects

The vaccines should not be touted as a 'passport' to recoup our 'freedoms'

Just to clarify, I'm not anti-vaxx (we have had all childhood vaccines and the flu vaccine)

@TrufflyPig

I worry that a lot of these recent posts casting doubt around vaccination are not genuine posters

Are you suggesting that everyone who is worried about these vaccines and wants to know others' opinions are not genuine posters? Blimey!

And I don't have an agenda, I'm just really worried about all of this. It can be dangerous and it's moving too fast in my view

@feellikeanalien

I have read in several newspapers that there is no evidence that the vaccination prevents transmission but only makes the symptoms less severe. If that is the case then even if you have been vaccinated you could still become infected with the virus and pass it on.

Surely then you would be at no greater risk of catching Covid from an unvaccinated person than a vaccinated one and the people who would suffer most would be those who did not get vaccinated as their symptoms could be more severe. Or am I missing something?

The idea is to vaccinate enough of the population to stop the virus circulating so you couldn't catch it very easily at all. There will always be people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons so we need to stop the spread to protect them. We can only do that if we achieve a certain percentage of us vaccinated, forget the number but it's quite high.

Are you suggesting that everyone who is worried about these vaccines and wants to know others' opinions are not genuine posters? Blimey

I said a lot, not all. One thread has already been removed for that very reason.

I worry that a lot of these recent posts casting doubt around vaccination are not genuine posters

Who do you think these posters are then?

@diplodocusinermine

the OP pops up on every vaccination thread spreading disinformation and concern.

I don't spread disinformation, but I am truly concerned, yes

I agree with @TrufflyPig , there seems to be a few dissenting voices shouting as loudly as possible to try and whip up panic. The vast majority of people are sensible and will get the vaccine thankfully.

[quote trulydelicious]@diplodocusinermine

the OP pops up on every vaccination thread spreading disinformation and concern.

I don't spread disinformation, but I am truly concerned, yes[/quote]
I have your answer OP. If you are concerned then simply don't have the vaccine. There you go, problem solved. Just let the rest of us get on with it and stop trying to recruit people to your tribe without any hard evidence.

@SherryPalmer

This is such a selfish viewpoint. It boils down to thinking that enough people should have the vaccine so we can get back to normality but not you.

I don't want other people to be vaccinated but not me. I want a safe vaccine to be available before there is talk about freedoms to be restricted if you do not take the vaccine.

I’m more concerned that I’d be vaccinated and want to go on holiday to U.K. but because my vaccination proof is not in the highly unreliable NHS “App” I get refused service in a restaurant.

trulydelicious, there is a difference between being concerned and what you're doing - you never post anything about the scientific facts behind the vaccines, the information about how and why the scientists have been able to produce the vaccines so quickly. Nothing about the positive news regarding vaccines, only ever the negatives.
You always seem to post 'I'm not an anti vaxxer, but......' That's why you just come across as scaremongering.

There are thousands of people round the world who have been taking part in the vaccine trials. Thousands.

What do you suggest we all do - not have the vaccine? Then what? 15,000 working for the Arcadia group have probably lost their jobs today, on top of many hundreds of thousand in retail, hospitality and leisure industries. Over 50.000 have died of/with Covid. Many hundreds of thousands more are suffering the effects of long covid, and that's just in the UK. Kid's education is being disrupted, people with serious illnesses are not being treated. What do you want? What would you like us all to do? Genuine question.

Good. I think schools should require proof of vaccinations too.

I think if you want to travel, attend concerts, large weddings etc then the passport idea is great. No one is forced to vaccinate but refusing to do so may mean less things are open to them. Covid is a risk to others not just the person themselves.

I don't really get this pov at all. Freedoms have been severely curtailed because of the lack of a vaccine. The vaccine is our way back to freedom. As for moving too fast, it's been moving more slowly than the virus that's for sure.

'I want a safe vaccine to be available before there is talk about freedoms to be restricted if you do not take the vaccine.'

So what the hell will it take to persuade you that a vaccine is safe? The word of eminent scientists/epidemiologists obviously isn't good enough. Who will you take the word of? Who is eminent enough for you to believe?

I'm sure many are nervous about having a vaccination, but we live in a world where vaccines have prevented babies dying before their first birthday of measles/whooping cough, where millions no longer die of small pox and polio.. We are so damned lucky to live in the time we do.

[quote trulydelicious]@SherryPalmer

This is such a selfish viewpoint. It boils down to thinking that enough people should have the vaccine so we can get back to normality but not you.

I don't want other people to be vaccinated but not me. I want a safe vaccine to be available before there is talk about freedoms to be restricted if you do not take the vaccine.[/quote]
No one is proposing an unsafe vaccine

And think of it less as having freedoms restricted and more a freedoms being returned

I want a safe vaccine to be available before there is talk about freedoms to be restricted if you do not take the vaccine.

These freedoms are already being restricted by coronavirus. If you aren’t willing to have the vaccine, why should you benefit from it. It is selfish freeriding to expect to benefit from a vaccine you are not willing to have.

@Crazycatlady83“ So if you want to have the vaccine, you should be allowed out of “lockdown” and allowed to live freely. If you don’t, your position really hasn’t changed from the last eight months so you should stay in “lockdown” to protect yourself and others. ”

Well, no. We don’t need to protect the vulnerable because they will have been offered the vaccine before us anyway. We can make our own decisions about whether we want to take a vaccine to protect ourselves from a disease with an IFR well below 0.01 for the majority.

Also no, for some diseases natural immunity lasts longer than vaccine induced immunity. Eg mumps.

@MrsMigginsMate
No, if you are immune through natural infection or vaccination then it won’t matter if you come into contact with an infected person. That’s the point. Also, anyone being infected is also contributing towards the immunity level in the population and moving us towards the herd immunity threshold.

@bumbleymummy We don’t need to protect the vulnerable because they will have been offered the vaccine before us anyway*

You do realise that for a significant number of patients on the shielding list the vaccine will be contraindicated and can't be offered for medical reasons? But fuck them right, as long as the man isn't bringing us down yeah?

But what about the vulnerable that can’t have the vaccine? Do they live in lockdown forever?

I think it's clear from this thread that the vast majority of people will be having the vaccine, only the fringe minority seem to be falling for the scaremongering so it looks like OPs plan has failed.

MrsMiggin, Hurrah!

truffly trial data relating to vaccination efficacy is irrelevant to her point about a specific cohort being naturally low risk of developing serious complications. As the pandemic had been in full swing for a while by that point I imagine there is quite a lot of data to back that point up.

I personally think that if people choose not to be vaccinated, they also have to accept other people’s/companies’ possible choices to not to them use their services. That might be what happens.

@diplodocusinermine

you never post anything about the scientific facts behind the vaccines, the information about how and why the scientists have been able to produce the vaccines so quickly. Nothing about the positive news regarding vaccines, only ever the negatives

Why are you changing the topic and trying to discredit me personally?

Why should I be posting about scientific data that people may already know?

At the moment these new vaccines worry me, why should I be posting anything positive about them?

I post about the aspects that concern me to know other people's take on them, that's all.

@SherryPalmer

I want a safe vaccine to be available before there is talk about freedoms to be restricted if you do not take the vaccine.

These freedoms are already being restricted by coronavirus. If you aren’t willing to have the vaccine, why should you benefit from it. It is selfish freeriding to expect to benefit from a vaccine you are not willing to have.

This is what I was trying to say, but you put it so much better!!!