Test and Trace is 'working on making immunity passports to allow Brits to prove they have been vaccinated against Covid-19 using NHS app'

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Just seen this

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9000479/Test-Trace-working-making-immunity-passports.html#reader-comments

This is getting out of control now in my view and all this rethoric is disturbing and irresponsible.

Nobody should be coerced into having vaccines:

1. that use new technology
2. for which long term side effects are not known (precisely because the technology for most of them is new)
3. when pharmaceutical companies producing them are bearing no responsibility for potential side effects

The vaccines should not be touted as a 'passport' to recoup our 'freedoms'

Just to clarify, I'm not anti-vaxx (we have had all childhood vaccines and the flu vaccine)

Why should I be posting about scientific data that people may already know?

Because if you have concerns then bring them to the table so people can explain the rights and wrongs of them. Otherwise just posting 'i have concerns' adds nothing to the debate and is solely designed to stir up fear.

I post about the aspects that concern me to know other people's take on them, that's all.

Well then as Judge Judy says, it's time to get your listening ears out. If you've been repeatedly posting about it then you clearly aren't receptive to opposing views, so again the only reason to keep posting is to stir up trouble.

@TalkingIntoTheEther She was speculating about adverse effects vs covid risk with nothing in the way of evidence to back her claim.

I would say there was probably quite a lot to back up her claims on Covid risks, what with the millions of cases documented and the demographics of those infected.

So every time you go to the shops or a restaurant you need to scan your phone to say you have been vaccinated? Doesn't it seem a little dystopian? A little bit like living in a black mirror episode? What happens when the computer says no?

@MrsMigginsMate

you clearly aren't receptive to opposing views

The same could be said about you

So every time someone raises a concern about these new vaccines or future policy in relation to them you think the aim is to stir trouble and they should be shouted down? Nice

[quote trulydelicious]@MrsMigginsMate

infecting a whole plane full of people, meaning 200 passengers isolating, getting ill, missing work and risking their income, some of whom will become very ill and some of whom will die

Business travel was just an example to illustrate how sometimes we can tend to oversimplify things

Some of those passengers would be vaccinated anyway, so, if vaccines work, not a risk to them.

There will be other passengers who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, true. But why will the rights of these passengers trump the rights of people who do not want to be vaccinated for fear of being damaged by a new vaccine?[/quote]
Because the people that can't be vaccinated don't have a choice and should be protected, the people that don't want to be vaccinated do have a choice

@TrufflyPig

She was speculating about adverse effects vs covid risk with nothing in the way of evidence to back her claim.

Are you a mind reader?

[quote trulydelicious]@MrsMigginsMate

you clearly aren't receptive to opposing views

The same could be said about you

So every time someone raises a concern about these new vaccines or future policy in relation to them you think the aim is to stir trouble and they should be shouted down? Nice[/quote]
Where exactly did I say that? I was talking about OP repeating herself. That doesn't in any way equate to calling out every person who raises a concern for fucks sake.

@gurglebelly

Because the people that can't be vaccinated don't have a choice and should be protected

That's fine. But at the same time, people should be protected from being damaged by a new vaccine or any medical treatment for that matter.

Thanks MrsMigginsMate. So is the theory that the more people who are vaccinated the weaker the symptoms become so it is therefore harder for the virus to be transmitted from those people and therefore it is more difficult to catch.

Sorry I'm not very scientifically minded and want to be sure I've got it right.

No I'm not a mind reader but saying that something could happen when you have no evidence to suggest such is speculation.

I mention genuine posters because the language used by some (who only post about vaccination) is very similar to that of those on anti-vaxx FB groups.

The accounts may be real but are only made to stir trouble around one issue.

Dont worry OP

The whole point of the blind trials, independent reviews and separate authorisation process are all to ensure vaccines are safe for the community who are offered them. Where safe means that medically you personally are better off having the treatment than not.

@Nappyvalley15

So every time you go to the shops or a restaurant you need to scan your phone to say you have been vaccinated? Doesn't it seem a little dystopian? A little bit like living in a black mirror episode? What happens when the computer says no?

I agree with this. It’s unprecedented. We’ve never required proof of vaccination to shop or eat in a restaurant or see a film or go to a concert/sports event ever. Not once out of all the diseases we vaccinate against, some of which are more deadly than Covid.

And then to have all that hinge on the working of a smart phone App. One that is reported to not work on many peoples slightly older smart phones. One that has had problems with inaccurate data and false alerts.

I think it’s madness.

Hum I strongly suspect that it will be possible to prove your vaccination status without having smartphones

Seems a lot of tizzy about nothing

@feellikeanalien

Thanks MrsMigginsMate. So is the theory that the more people who are vaccinated the weaker the symptoms become so it is therefore harder for the virus to be transmitted from those people and therefore it is more difficult to catch.

Sorry I'm not very scientifically minded and want to be sure I've got it right.

Partly - it depends on the type of vaccine and how it works. The usual way vaccines work is to stop you catching it so you can't be a spreader, but the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine is supposed to still leave you susceptible to catching it but with much more mild symptoms. It stands to reason that less coughing and sneezing means less viral particles are spread from your mouth. But you can still spread it because you shed viral cells all the time just by breathing.

Viral load is linked to severity of disease. So if you're not going about coughing everywhere then the people around you will get a lower dose, therefore should hopefully have less severe disease (although this isn't always the case).

I don't think Oxford have released their final data yet, it will be interesting to see the actual transmission rates with the vaccine. As for Moderna and the other ones I'm not sure, they work in a completely new way.

@midgebabe

Hum I strongly suspect that it will be possible to prove your vaccination status without having smartphones

Seems a lot of tizzy about nothing

I would hope so. But the article worries me because it specifically says “The NHS Test and Trace app could be used as a record of people’s vaccination status under plans being considered by the government.”

This app requires a relatively new smart phone.

@midgebabe

Hum I strongly suspect that it will be possible to prove your vaccination status without having smartphones

Seems a lot of tizzy about nothing

I suppose we could have a number tattooed on our forearm...

Mission creep

@midgebabe

Hum I strongly suspect that it will be possible to prove your vaccination status without having smartphones

Seems a lot of tizzy about nothing

Yes I think you're right, they won't expect everyone to have an up to date phone, there will be alternatives for those who don't own one.

I suppose we could have a number tattooed on our forearm...

Poor taste and hardly comparable to this situation.

'suppose we could have a number tattooed on our forearm...'

How offensive and also ridiculous.

[quote trulydelicious]@gurglebelly

Because the people that can't be vaccinated don't have a choice and should be protected

That's fine. But at the same time, people should be protected from being damaged by a new vaccine or any medical treatment for that matter.[/quote]
And that is what the clinical trials are for.

Look it really is simple, if you don't want it don't get it, it's just unfortunate that you might not be able to do some stuff you want to as a result of YOUR CHOICE.

Sorry but I have little sympathy if that is the case, as I'd much rather the people that are making that choice are restricted than everyone. At least then the rest of us can start getting back to some sort of normality, including the vulnerable who have no choice

It could be used isn't the same as it will exclusively be used

'Look it really is simple, if you don't want it don't get it, it's just unfortunate that you might not be able to do some stuff you want to as a result of YOUR CHOICE.'

Exactly. We've had thread after thread for months about restrictions and the massive impact. Here's the solution and some folk aren't keen on that either. Just stay at home for the rest of your lives then.