Test and Trace is 'working on making immunity passports to allow Brits to prove they have been vaccinated against Covid-19 using NHS app'

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Just seen this

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9000479/Test-Trace-working-making-immunity-passports.html#reader-comments

This is getting out of control now in my view and all this rethoric is disturbing and irresponsible.

Nobody should be coerced into having vaccines:

1. that use new technology
2. for which long term side effects are not known (precisely because the technology for most of them is new)
3. when pharmaceutical companies producing them are bearing no responsibility for potential side effects

The vaccines should not be touted as a 'passport' to recoup our 'freedoms'

Just to clarify, I'm not anti-vaxx (we have had all childhood vaccines and the flu vaccine)

Sounds a good idea to me

Sorry OP but you are going around in cicles. You might be rushing off to help a relative - is that a reason to NOT have the vaccine and then give the virus to others on the plane?

Do it or dont do it but recognise that some things you might not be able to do.

If for example I wanted to go to Dubai and they demanded a CV19 stamp - I have a choice. I either get a jab or I dont go to Dubai. You cannot have it both ways and there are plenty of other countries to choose from.

I just saw this on the guardian line newsfeed.

Vaccination minister says venues may decide not to admit people who haven't had jab
At the weekend Nadhim Zahawi, a business minister, was put in charge of the vaccine rollout. He is now a minister jointly serving the business and health departments.

In his first interview in his new role, Zahawi told the World at One that the government was looking at the idea of issuing people with “immunity passports”. But he said that he thought it would be service providers, not the government, that ended up asking for these. He told the programme:

We are looking at the technology. And, of course, a way of people being able to inform their GP that they have been vaccinated.

But, also, I think you’ll probably find that restaurants and bars and cinemas and other venues, sports venues, will probably also use that system - as they have done with the app.

I think that in many ways the pressure will come from both ways, from service providers who’ll say ‘look, demonstrate to us that you have been vaccinated’.

But, also, we will make the technology as easy and accessible as possible.

Asked if that meant people without a vaccine might be limited in what they could do, he replied:

I think people have to make a decision. But, I think you’ll probably find many service providers will want to engage with this in the way they did with the app.

Zahawi also confirmed that the government would not make having the vaccine compulsory.

I don't see the problem here. Foreign travel is a luxury not a human right.

This has surprised me too and I’m not anti vac at all.

If you want a vaccine, have it, and then you are protected. Why do I (or anyone else) need to have a vaccine then if I don’t want to?

I get that a small number of people won’t be able to have the vaccine and so I guess they need to be protected. But why do their rights top those of people who don’t want the vaccine (because they are worried about potential risks)?

A Covid test as requirement to board a plane, yes. A vaccine seems a step too far - coercion by the back door.

There are already countries that require vaccinations, I don’t much fancy having yellow fever vaccine so I can’t go there. The government can’t control this. You are not entitled to go to another country, you have to follow their rules. You can make the decision whether that infringes your human rights. I don’t personally agree with it for venues in this country but I. An see why they would want to introduce it

The entitlement of people who think they can fly anywhere never ceases to amaze me. Brown and black people have been taking vaccinations for years to enter countries. You do not have a right to foreign travel.

For someone who states they are not Anti-vax, the OP posts a lot about their concern on safety and forced vaccination. And although constantly corrected for making incorrect statements under the guise of being concerned, the posts keep coming.

Whether or not the OP is anti- anything, they certainly have a well scripted agenda.

I back
Freedom to decide to be vaccinated
Freedom of private organisations and businesses to refuse to offer services to people who are not vaccinated
Freedom to carry my vaccination record

I reject the OPs desire to take away my freedoms.

Of course it’s coercion to say you cannot enjoy previous freedoms unless you have a vaccine. It is not unreasonable to be pissed off about this when the head of the vaccine task force has previously said the U.K. wont be generally vaccinating the under 50s because the risk of a “freak” adverse effect tips the balance of risk benefit in a cohort that is low risk of complications from the disease!

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For someone who states they are not Anti-vax, the OP posts a lot about their concern on safety and forced vaccination

I worry that a lot of these recent posts casting doubt around vaccination are not genuine posters, the anti-vaxx crowd seem to be learning that going in heavy gets little result.

The vaccines should not be touted as a 'passport' to recoup our 'freedoms'

What’s your answer then?

I don’t want to live with restrictions a moment longer than I have to and particularly not when the only thing stopping them being lifted is people being precious about the vaccine.

It is not unreasonable to be pissed off about this when the head of the vaccine task force has previously said the U.K. wont be generally vaccinating the under 50s because the risk of a “freak” adverse effect tips the balance of risk benefit in a cohort that is low risk of complications from the disease

The article doesn't say that at all! It's an article about assessing priority and then evaluating the need for mass vaccination once all the high risk groups have been vaccinated. There are no reported freak adverse reactions, stop scaremongering.

So if we are low priority for vaccine when do we get our freedom then

Unless a vaccine is 100% effective, people who have been vaccinated will still be susceptible.
The more people who choose not to vaccinate, the more at risk everyone is.

If a virus is circulating widely among the unvaccinated population some of those who have been vaccinated will also almost certainly catch it, outbreaks will grow, etc etc.

Lots of unvaccinated people on a plane will mean all the passengers and crew, even the vaccinated ones, are at higher risk.

It's fairly reasonable for airlines to not want that, when they could potentially avoid it.

And it isn’t ‘just’ foreign travel, today the minister for overseeing the vaccine roll out has said U.K. venues will likely require patrons to have been vaccinated.

So if you have to show a vaccination certificate to access services, shops, school, work places, parks, post office etc that in effect does make it compulsory. Saying they won't make having the vaccine compulsory and that it's a choice is a bit pointless if people who choose not to have it will have to live outside normal society.

It isn’t scaremongering to directly quote from the head of the U.K. vaccine task force *
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Ms Bingham said vaccination policy would be aimed at those “most at risk” and noted that vaccinating healthy people, who are much less likely to have severe outcomes from Covid-19, “could cause them some freak harm”, potentially tipping the scales in terms of the risk-benefit analysis*

And no it hasn't been tested like other vaccines have, it can't have been. It hasn't been around long enough for any long term side effects to have been recognised yet.

People don't seem to get the fact that vaccines rely on herd immunity. If no one gets vaccinated, we are stuck in this limbo forever. Even if most people do, you are still putting others at risk if you don't because the vaccine is only 90% effective and not possible for all. You vaccinate to protect yourself and others. Yes, there's a small risk, and I get a degree of nervousness, but people take risks all the time, to cross roads, fly across the world, have other medical procedures that will improve quality of life. Why are vaccines so different? We know the risk of covid complications is larger than the risk of harm from a vaccine.

Bold fail, will try again
Ms Bingham said vaccination policy would be aimed at those “most at risk” and noted that vaccinating healthy people, who are much less likely to have severe outcomes from Covid-19, “could cause them some freak harm”, potentially tipping the scales in terms of the risk-benefit analysis

Tested like other vaccines were when introduced I think the point was?

could cause them some freak harm

Basing this on what? The word 'could' implies a lot of speculation. Is there any evidence to back this opinion up?

@LemonTT, totally agree - the OP pops up on every vaccination thread spreading disinformation and concern. I wish they'd just stop - if the OP doesn't want the vaccine then they don't have to have it, but continually trying to scare others into not having it is starting to look a wee bit sinister.

No-one in the UK is going to be forced to have the vaccine, but you may not be able to do some things if you don't have the vaccine. None of these things will be of the 'it's my human rights' variety, so the decision is the individual's.

I don’t know truffly why don’t you contact Kate Bingham if you doubt what she is saying? I’m happy to accept that she has some authority on this.

It’s not like I’m quoting David Ike here 🙄