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Will those blaming schools for the rise in cases admit they were wrong?

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notevenat20 · 30/11/2020 09:16

R is now around 0.71 and the case numbers are dropping rapidly (hooray!). It seems obvious this huge improvement has been caused by the lockdown. But schools were open the whole time. It's also therefore clear that schools cannot have been the main cause of the second wave.

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Barbie222 · 01/12/2020 18:19

@stairway

Blended learning is fine as a temporary measure for schools that have been particularly hard hit but certainly not for most schools. Neither of my children have missed any schooling this term.
There's a direct relationship between the fact that your school is open without any measures to prevent spread, the fact that we have been allowed to travel freely between areas, and the fact that many other schools are really stricken and their children are really losing out.

Can you think what it might be?

Your attitude is really selfish and short sighted. Guess what, if all schools took additional measures to increase space, ventilation and cleanliness, all schools could be just like yours!

MarshaBradyo · 01/12/2020 18:23

There is a school in Bexley that has been on a Rota system and about 6 or so other schools there have multiple year groups and many staff out and are considering it

Ok thanks Chloe. I know there’s three reasons for triggering rota here - higher education tier, staff absence and can’t recall last. Really want to but can’t find email. So could be the same and be rota without higher education tier.

Although it’s not the same as blended, or half in part time. But all in then out for two weeks. With online to all when out.

Theotherrudolph · 01/12/2020 18:34

I’m broadly in favour of additional measures and always in favour of extra school funding. I’d love not to be short sighted and selfish. So as the low risk parents of low risk children at a school with a single case and thus one popped bubble in total since September, who has minimised all out of school contact, that follows the school’s increasingly over the top rules, has written to my mp asking for funding and has generally tried to be supportive, what exactly do you want me to do? Pull my children out as some kind of protest? It is very clear government will change nothing about schools until they are forced to. I can only think of two ways that will change - a mass walkout by parents and pupils (won’t happen) or teachers strike....

alreadytaken · 01/12/2020 18:40

Interesting study that detected higher viral loads in the asymptomatic - and higher viral loads in the young.

link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s15010-020-01548-8

FredtheFerret · 01/12/2020 18:56

@MarshaBradyo

Open for KW. Teaching via TEAMS. It is just not safe to have the pupils in any longer and 5 Year groups were isolating.

MarshaBradyo · 01/12/2020 19:08

[quote FredtheFerret]@MarshaBradyo

Open for KW. Teaching via TEAMS. It is just not safe to have the pupils in any longer and 5 Year groups were isolating.[/quote]
Ok thanks. Makes sense to do that

ChloeDecker · 01/12/2020 20:54

half in part time. But all in then out for two weeks.

Sorry but it’s not that at all. According to one of my ex colleagues there, it is 2 year groups in for two days than another 2 etc.

MarshaBradyo · 01/12/2020 21:10

@ChloeDecker

half in part time. But all in then out for two weeks.

Sorry but it’s not that at all. According to one of my ex colleagues there, it is 2 year groups in for two days than another 2 etc.

Sorry typing quickly

I meant at our school it would be the two week rota thing

WouldBeGood · 01/12/2020 21:19

I agree @notevenat20

ChloeDecker · 01/12/2020 21:21

I meant at our school it would be the two week rota thing

Oh I see! Sorry for misunderstanding. Smile

stairway · 01/12/2020 23:22

Barbie222 no idea why I’m selfish for wanting my children’s school to stay open full time when there are no serious out breaks no idea why this would have any effects on other schools. All children at my son’s where masks everywhere inside which parents support. I had a look at the school bus going past earlier and every pupil had a mask on. No reason why other schools can’t do the same. No idea how schools are actually able to increase space/ventilation. They could I suppose make use of sports halls etc but this is a job for individual schools and nothing to do with me at all. Not my fault some schools are having to shut, these schools themselves need to sort out online / blended learning.

Whiskyinajar · 02/12/2020 09:56

Our local council have asked permission to shut all schools from 11th December. It’s been chaos locally as we’ve had very high rates of COVID which have closed schools.

Personally I don’t know what to think anymore.

We’ve all had COVID which came from the school so it’s all a bit real in terms of how easily it can be spread. It’s my Mum and Dad who worry me as they are in their 70s and the thought we could unknowingly pass it on to them is scary.

CallmeAngelina · 10/12/2020 19:55

Hmm! In the light of this evening's announcement by Matt Hancock that mass coronavirus testing will be rolled out in secondary schools in the worst-hit boroughs of London amid fears teenagers are fuelling the latest surge of infections in the capital, do any of the posters on this thread have anything to add?

How about you, @notevenat20?

Fortherosesjoni70 · 10/12/2020 20:11

What i think is shocking is that despite them closing care homes, businesses with outbreaks and Gatwick most recently, they are still insisting in keeping schools open despite the surge!
Absolutely shocking!
I cannot believe how they have swept the infection rates under the carpet. Absolutely appauling.

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notevenat20 · 10/12/2020 20:24

I think mass testing is a good idea although it seems to have downsides too. I don't really understand the false positive/negative rates to be honest but I know that are important.

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CallmeAngelina · 10/12/2020 20:27

You haven't answered my question, @notevenat20.

You started this thread asking if those blaming schools for the rise in cases would admit they were wrong.

It would appear from today's announcement, that they were not wrong at all. What are your thoughts on that?

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notevenat20 · 10/12/2020 20:33

It would appear from today's announcement, that they were not wrong at all. What are your thoughts on that?

I think they were wrong. I was talking about September leading into October which was the second wave. You are talking about a third wave.

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CallmeAngelina · 10/12/2020 20:35

No, this is a continuation of the trend that has been showing for weeks now.
You're trying to wriggle out of it.

CallmeAngelina · 10/12/2020 20:43

Do you acknowledge that schools do now seem to be responsible for the rise in cases?

Mumof3andlovingit · 10/12/2020 20:44

Isn’t it obvious that schools are the driving force for covid infection rates in all communities?
Why would you even make a thread like this? The government claiming schools are almost covid free and covid secure is expected as they are experts in bullshitting, it’s their job. However, why would any normal citizen of this country make the same claims when it’s so obvious?

noblegiraffe · 10/12/2020 20:50

@notevenat20

It would appear from today's announcement, that they were not wrong at all. What are your thoughts on that?

I think they were wrong. I was talking about September leading into October which was the second wave. You are talking about a third wave.

It's true, a lot can happen in the er....week and a half....since you started this thread.
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notevenat20 · 10/12/2020 20:55

@noblegiraffe I think I was clear. I was talking about what caused wave 2 which started in late August. It was not schools opening at the start of september.

I would be interested to discuss what is happening now but on a different thread.

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RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 10/12/2020 20:59

Why a different thread? This seems the perfect place to put it.

Itisasecret · 10/12/2020 21:03

Well this thread is a bit egg on face. How funny.

Theimpossiblegirl · 10/12/2020 21:04

I think the real question is: Will those not blaming schools for the rise in cases admit they were wrong?