Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.

[Sb2012]

Just something that came through in a newsfeed. Don’t know how accurate. Headline said “ Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.”
What are your thoughts on this? I’m not sure how I feel tbh. I guess it’s proven that obese people are at a higher risk.
However, what about the under 50 healthy BMI teachers, supermarket workers etc I don’t think it is fair to prioritise an obese 40 year old who works from home or doesn’t work at all over a normal BMI 40 year old teacher, supermarket worker or taxi driver

@MadameBlobby

Ok now that’s just bullshit. Giving up smoking is extremely hard. Why can’t obese people give up over eating?

Because even if they do, they will STILL be obese for a long time. If someone stops smoking, they are a non smoker right away.

But they still have the same risks of a smoker. It takes months and years for the damage to be undone and sometimes the damage caused by smoking is is irreversible

Honestly we need to stop doing the obese versus smoker thing, like no one is even saying smokers would be given priority at all.

There wont be and shouldn't be any conditions attached to the bloody vaccination, we're not making a value judgement we are looking at the cold hard facts of whose most likely to die or become seriously unwell. That is all. That should be all. Not about who pays most tax, is most careful, most loved, earns more it's just about risk to health and therefore also the impact on healthcare.

I have high cholesterol & some one I know has type 2 diabetes obviously our fault for unhealthy living - Oh wait in both our cases it is an inherited thing - we are obviously to blame for not picking our parents. What never occurs to people is that for some people this may be a result of depression or comfort eating because issues around family or other things or as a result of medication or certain health conditions. I always think excess eating is the other extreme of things like anorexia & needs support not condemnation.
Judging people & deciding that they don't deserve support says rather more about you op than them. The clinicians who are (still) to work out the order of need & vulnerability are trying to balance this with getting overloaded in the NHS & stopping access to other treatment for other patients.
Are you perhaps suggesting that people shouldn't have treatment????

@PineappleUpsideDownCake

Wow if the vax would come with psych treatment too that would be wonderfully awesome. V little support for obesity eating disorders/childhood trauma.

This. It isn't even recognised as a mental illness, its always just 'your own fault'. There is no treatment plan. There is nothing to address is for the long-term. It needs more than 12 therapy sessions on the NHS or whatever.

Ok, a life is a life. If they're higher risk than over 50s they should get it. Even if it's self inflicted obesity isn't as simple as you think.

I'm 25 so likely bottom of the list

Is it not a simple case of giving it to the people most likely to die from it? Who would argue with that?

@AlwaysLatte

Is it not a simple case of giving it to the people most likely to die from it? Who would argue with that?

The OP it appears. The OP is arguing with that. They'd like it first, just because.

I am not saying don’t vaccinate the obese. I have not said that. Anyone high risk should be vaccinated first. That’s fair and the best way forward. However, I am questioning how high risk they are. Is there actual data that puts say a 30 year old obese woman at a higher risk than a 64 years old BAME man?

That's not what you said at all

This is the most awful thread

I have come to the conclusion that you can not be very bright OP, either that or your empathy is super low. No, it is obviously both.

I comfort ate during the first lockdown. It was so hard , only being able to communicate with my 84 year old mum by phone, She would cry because she was so upset. Not in a care home but obvs i wasnt allowed to visit their house. Also and yes i know its trivial but hair was a mess , i looked and felt like a scruffbag. Not conducive to healthy eating.

Now if only c+nts like the OP were as easily to spot as obese ppl, huh!? I would love to avoid those kinda ppl and hate on them on a public forum.

I smoke - it's a real physical and mental addiction which I know is very bad for me - I know I should stop doing it. I do it alone mostly, it's not that I'm surrounded by fags and smokers at all, I'm addicted to smoking.

But no way, ever, would I suggest that my 'addiction' makes me a Priority for Health Services over others - I have a few smokes and the obese mostly eat too much and quite possibly we might do it for the same reasons too.

I think people are worrying needlessly - it sounds like there will be a matter of weeks between the different priority levels.

Also, hand up! I’m another person with a complicated childhood and a narcissist mother leading me to an eating disorder from my teens and through the rest of my life.

I’ve just paid £11.5k to have weight loss surgery at the start of January because I’m that scared I’ll die. So before you start with your “what message are we giving to fat people by giving them priority for the jab?” you haven’t got a clue.

i turned to food to cope with all this because im teetotal , dont smoke (i used to but gave up in 2005) and drugs have never interested me at all.

Oh and OP I lost 10 stone back in 2002/03 So i know what to do. But lockdown made me just not care. We will be unpicking the effects of lockdown for years to come.

Life saving health care, which for many is what these vaccines will be, should always be given on the basis of clinical need. Never worthiness.

How @Sb2012 do you even suggest your worthiness scale should work?

Where would I place - early 40s and fat. Though I have lost 8 stone in the last few years so hopefully that moves me up the lost. Still a hideous fatty though...

That said I'm fat because I was starved and beaten as a child, being hungry, or having no food, scares me.

I also have an extremely vulnerable child. Me being vaccinated also protect to them, or do they just have to deal with the risk of having a fatty for a mother?

Do tell? How will it work? And how long will it take for the scale of worthiness to be created?

How on earth could you have been unaware of the real dangers around smoking if you are 40ish?

And where do nasty people who think paying tax (and assuming that being skinny means you pay more tax somehow) means they should queue jump clinically vulnerable people on the lost score?

@HateIsNotGood

I smoke - it's a real physical and mental addiction which I know is very bad for me - I know I should stop doing it. I do it alone mostly, it's not that I'm surrounded by fags and smokers at all, I'm addicted to smoking.

But no way, ever, would I suggest that my 'addiction' makes me a Priority for Health Services over others - I have a few smokes and the obese mostly eat too much and quite possibly we might do it for the same reasons too.

I have not come across an obese person demanding to be front of the queue.

It just happens that obesity is a risk factor with this virus. If smoking was a higher risk factor, smokers would be front of the queue. If there happened to be a disease that had a particularly bad outcome if there was nicotine in anyones body....you'd be front of the queue.

Why can’t obese people give up over eating?

Not all of us obese people are obese because we are overeaters. It isn't always that simple.

Some of us are the way we are because we have bodies that don't work properly.

You are very judgemental, but as an obese person with a variety of endocrine and hormonal issues, I have had to get used to snarky comments from people like you for the whole of my adult life.

It really would be best wouldn't it if we could all just conveniently disappear so that you and yours can have your vaccines and get back to normal.

For me I want the people most vulnerable to being seriously ill and needing hospitalisation to get it first.

Me too - I'm mid 50s, so, according to some lists I've seen, I'd be one of the earlier people called, but I would certainly not want a vaccine until everyone more vulnerable than me has been offered one.

However your post about paying lots of taxes has now made you sound ridiculous.

As, indeed does your post suggesting you 'gave up smoking after you found out about the health risks'

I've known about the health risks linked to smoking since the 1970s. I'm kind of guessing, if you have a young family, you weren't even born then, let alone of an age to start smoking ? So you consciously decided to start smoking, despite all the health problems widely known that are associated with smoking. By your logic, you and your dh need to go to the back of the queue then with all the people who (in your mind) have 'chosen' to let themselves get obese