Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.

[Sb2012]

Just something that came through in a newsfeed. Don’t know how accurate. Headline said “ Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.”
What are your thoughts on this? I’m not sure how I feel tbh. I guess it’s proven that obese people are at a higher risk.
However, what about the under 50 healthy BMI teachers, supermarket workers etc I don’t think it is fair to prioritise an obese 40 year old who works from home or doesn’t work at all over a normal BMI 40 year old teacher, supermarket worker or taxi driver

I am not saying don’t vaccinate the obese. I have not said that. Anyone high risk should be vaccinated first. That’s fair and the best way forward. However, I am questioning how high risk they are. Is there actual data that puts say a 30 year old obese woman at a higher risk than a 64 years old BAME man? The headlines suggest that the obese adult would be prioritised. If there is such data or evidence where is it?

Are you SERIOUSLY asking that other people fucking google it for you?

[quote Sb2012]@Twatalert
Smoking is an addiction. A drug addiction. The drug is called nicotine. It’s an extreme highly addictive substance and as addictive as the other “drugs”[/quote]
Just go away.

I dont need you educating me. Did you smoke as a child as a coping mechanism? No? Then you don't know what you are talking about.

@Sb2012

I am not saying don’t vaccinate the obese. I have not said that. Anyone high risk should be vaccinated first. That’s fair and the best way forward. However, I am questioning how high risk they are. Is there actual data that puts say a 30 year old obese woman at a higher risk than a 64 years old BAME man? The headlines suggest that the obese adult would be prioritised. If there is such data or evidence where is it? I am not for one moment attacking anyone who is obese, but I am entitled to my opinion just as much as the next person. Also those of you taking about personal responsibility or being selfish etc like I said we (my family and I) have and are doing our bit to help keep cases down and therefore death rates down, but what kind of a message are we giving to people with a BMI of 40+? Are we just saying carry on like you are because it’s ok you will get a vaccine. Obese ppl with such high BMIs didn’t get to that weight overnight. Surely they have been told and are aware of the risks they are invited upon themselves by continuing to pile on the weight. I used to smoke so did DH. When we learnt of the real risks we quit. We are still very tempted to take the habit back up again after all these years but we don’t. There is such a thing as personal responsibility and throwing obese people a lifeline for all health problems bought on by not doing something about their weight isn’t solving the problem either. The majority of very obese people have other health issues too and therefore put on extra pressure on the already struggling NHS. That’s also selfish. I’m sorry you can’t call me selfish when I pay an awful lot of tax that in turn helps the NHS to support the people who have problems from being overweight. I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too?

Lol why on earth would you pay more tax than the average obese person????

Thing is though, with smoking, you can stop smoking and effectively become a non smoker overnight (I know that’s a simplification)

It’s simply not possible for obese people to do that.

@MadameBlobby

I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too?

Did you birth your multiple children in the back garden without the assistance of an NHS midwife? No scans or antenatal appointments?

Also,

True. I've got no kids.. think of all the NHS resources I've saved. I'll think I'll pop to the front of the vaccination queue to get my 20 years of tax worth.

@MadameBlobby

I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too?

Did you birth your multiple children in the back garden without the assistance of an NHS midwife? No scans or antenatal appointments?

Also,

I did have many maternity hospital appts but the majority of obese people do too. In fact a lot of obese women have more fertility treatments as a result of obesity and have far higher risk pregnancies therefore more appointments too.

I’m sorry you can’t call me selfish when I pay an awful lot of tax that in turn helps the NHS to support the people who have problems from being overweight. I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too?

Is there a cure for stupidity?

@Haffiana

I’m sorry you can’t call me selfish when I pay an awful lot of tax that in turn helps the NHS to support the people who have problems from being overweight. I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too?

Is there a cure for stupidity?

Can we bang out a vaccine for it?

I vote OP gets priority 1 for it.

@MadameBlobby

Thing is though, with smoking, you can stop smoking and effectively become a non smoker overnight (I know that’s a simplification)

It’s simply not possible for obese people to do that.

Ok now that’s just bullshit. Giving up smoking is extremely hard. Why can’t obese people give up over eating? Some people smoke because of mental health too

God people like you OP make me want to stop giving to charity just to avoid helping vile bastards like you, ever!

Op would you like a bigger shovel to dig a hole.

OP, let's just hope your kids don't become fat or smokers or drug addicts because of something outside your control.

You seem to know a lot about the “average” and “majority” of obese people OP.

I personally had no fertility problems and easy pregnancies with no complications despite being old and fat. Maybe you used more NHS resources than me?!

I probably pay more tax than the average obese person

Based on what premise, exactly? Your ignorance? Or stupidity? Or perhaps both?

@HighHeelBoots

I have taken people to task many times at work re how differently people who are morbidly obese are treated compared to those with anorexia Both are eating disorders but one of them is treated with sympathy Both are often routed in childhood trauma

This.

The other big cause of obesity is poverty.
Research repeatedly demonstrates this.

Then there's NHS caused obesity:

• Medical condition such as thyroid issues. Patients are often dismissed by doctors and go undiagnosed for ages.

• patients on long NHS waiting lists for treatment to help with mobility limiting conditions.

• certain medications, including psychiatric drugs, can lead to weight gain.

@Lovesgood

God people like you OP make me want to stop giving to charity just to avoid helping vile bastards like you, ever!

Lmao give to charity to help ppl like me? Are you feeling ok?

Why do you think you pay more tax than the average obese person, OP? Is it because you think obese people are thick and lazy (asking as a slightly overweight asthmatic). All the stuff you have come out with one this thread is hilarious - you really are a walking Daily Mail bingo card, aren't you? Well, that is the kind way to describe you.

Ok now that’s just bullshit. Giving up smoking is extremely hard. Why can’t obese people give up over eating?

Because even if they do, they will STILL be obese for a long time. If someone stops smoking, they are a non smoker right away.

IMO - no, most obese people shouldn't be prioritized but 'obesity' as a 'characteristic' has extrapolated to such an huge extent [ahem] that if someone professed their 'obesity' as a reason for being prioritized for healthcare over other vulnerable people, eg: 75+ yrs....

Then just give them the vax - a lot of obesity is caused by mental health issues that haven't been addressed - so thinking being overweight is a good reason to be a priority seems quite indicative of mental illness to me.

So give them the vax and hopefully deal with their other issues later - maybe make it a proviso for Obesity Priority?

The thing is (and I've never smoked so never had to give it up) but there is a lot of help to stop smoking. There are nicotine replacements. You can vape instead. There's all kinds of support available. Some on the NHS.
Obese people can't just stop eating. There aren't support groups for fatties. There is slimming world etc but they are actually quite expensive.

I honestly don't think you can compare them.

Because you don't have to smoke, there is no reason at all to put that cigarette in your mouth, you can just avoid smoking and stop.

You do have to eat or you die, so as hard as it is to quit smoking it's much much harder to beat a food addiction as you have to try and do while facing your addiction every single day.

It's not really that hard to comprehend

Giving up smoking is extremely hard. Why can’t obese people give up over eating?

You don’t need to smoke, drink alcohol or take drugs. You can remove yourself from circles where friends,drink, smoke and do drugs. You can’t remove yourself from food

Quote OP: "Ok now that’s just bullshit. Giving up smoking is extremely hard. Why can’t obese people give up over eating?
Some people smoke because of mental health too"

Because smokers can just stop smoking! Obese people can not just quit food! They have to still be around their drug EVERY FUCKING DAY! And actively engage with it too!

Wow if the vax would come with psych treatment too that would be wonderfully awesome. V little support for obesity eating disorders/childhood trauma.