Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.

[Sb2012]

Just something that came through in a newsfeed. Don’t know how accurate. Headline said “ Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.”
What are your thoughts on this? I’m not sure how I feel tbh. I guess it’s proven that obese people are at a higher risk.
However, what about the under 50 healthy BMI teachers, supermarket workers etc I don’t think it is fair to prioritise an obese 40 year old who works from home or doesn’t work at all over a normal BMI 40 year old teacher, supermarket worker or taxi driver

@Kakiweewee bloody brilliant!! Well done!

Why can’t obese people give up over eating?

Ah, cheers. I hadn't thought of that.

@QueenOfPain

God, not only am I obese, I also pay higher rate tax and I’m an NHS nurse working in an A&E dept. Have I earned my jab yet OP? Or am I still a useless unproductive fat cunt?

OP and her ugly kids and DH can fuck themselves (at the back of the vaccine queue)

OP is an idiot but this comment about her family is still vile. You sound truly horrible.

I think we should leave it to the experts, rather than randoms on Mumsnet, to validate vaccine priority lists. My preference is that prioritisation ensures the maximum and fastest reduction in deaths, strain on medical systems, social isolation and economic issues.

As a 51 yr old a senior carer, who smokes and drinks (shame on me). Have my vaccine, if you want one so bad.

I had to reduce my calorie intake recently to 800-1000cals to continue my weight loss. It's taken a lot of education and practise to learn how much food that is (not a lot in case you're wondering). It's easy to gain slowly, and wonder what you are doing wrong because you don't even eat that much.

Then there's a plethora of advice on how to lose weight, eat this not that, only eat between these times, you need this many calories a day to lose weight, etc. It's overwhelming.

Gaining weight is a lot easier than learning how to lose it and keep it off.

What I think I am saying badly there, is that obesity is a complex matter even before you look at physical and mental health complications that can add to the issue.

People boil it down to eating too much bad stuff and being lazy and not exercising, and it's not that simple.

@Sb2012

Just something that came through in a newsfeed. Don’t know how accurate. Headline said “ Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.” What are your thoughts on this? I’m not sure how I feel tbh. I guess it’s proven that obese people are at a higher risk. However, what about the under 50 healthy BMI teachers, supermarket workers etc I don’t think it is fair to prioritise an obese 40 year old who works from home or doesn’t work at all over a normal BMI 40 year old teacher, supermarket worker or taxi driver

So you saw this “headline,” and in fact, there isn’t an exact headline like that, didn’t know how accurate it was, and instead of looking into it further, started a thread instead of doing any research. Not a great look.

@CoffeeandCroissant HAS looked it up, it’s an article about vaccine guidance, and included in the article is the list of who will get the vaccine and carers in care homes will get it before obese individuals. Also, it’s anyone with a clinical vulnerability so they list morbid obesity along with chronic respiratory disease and chronic liver disease, two things that can be caused by lifestyle (smoking and drinking) and yet they will get it at the same time as the morbidly obese. Strange that you didn’t mention that or have a problem with those two things, since it’s “lifestyle choices” you object to. You also say you quit smoking when you understood the health risks, so I assume you stopped in the 1960s as we were certain of the cancer risk by then.

So you believe that anyone whose disease is caused by a lifestyle choice, including smoking or drinking, should not receive the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds, even if they have an increased risk of death? That’s what you’re saying. What an incredibly slippery slope.

Also, to completely discount any mental aspect or addiction to overeating is so naive as to be unbelievable. Almost every person who is morbidly obese has an unhealthy relationship with food, and those who seek surgery to correct it (gastric band, etc) are required to undergo therapy first to break their unhealthy relationship with or addiction to food, as the surgery may be useless otherwise. I can’t believe you’re saying smoking is addicting and obesity has no component like that.

I’m not sure if you’ve just never read the science on any of this or never cared, but it’s astounding. I do hope that you and your husband did quit smoking in the 60s so that you will not develop any conditions that might make you unfairly eligible for the vaccine.

I think it's harder to look after obese patients in ICU because the patient has to be put face down when on a ventilator at times and it is harder on the staff.

OP you are either trying to wind folk up or you have a god complex and need professional help.

There’s only one word to describe @Sb2012 and you Can’t Unfortunately Name That on here.

@Sb2012

I am not saying don’t vaccinate the obese. I have not said that. Anyone high risk should be vaccinated first. That’s fair and the best way forward. However, I am questioning how high risk they are. Is there actual data that puts say a 30 year old obese woman at a higher risk than a 64 years old BAME man? The headlines suggest that the obese adult would be prioritised. If there is such data or evidence where is it? I am not for one moment attacking anyone who is obese, but I am entitled to my opinion just as much as the next person. Also those of you taking about personal responsibility or being selfish etc like I said we (my family and I) have and are doing our bit to help keep cases down and therefore death rates down, but what kind of a message are we giving to people with a BMI of 40+? Are we just saying carry on like you are because it’s ok you will get a vaccine. Obese ppl with such high BMIs didn’t get to that weight overnight. Surely they have been told and are aware of the risks they are invited upon themselves by continuing to pile on the weight. I used to smoke so did DH. When we learnt of the real risks we quit. We are still very tempted to take the habit back up again after all these years but we don’t. There is such a thing as personal responsibility and throwing obese people a lifeline for all health problems bought on by not doing something about their weight isn’t solving the problem either. The majority of very obese people have other health issues too and therefore put on extra pressure on the already struggling NHS. That’s also selfish. I’m sorry you can’t call me selfish when I pay an awful lot of tax that in turn helps the NHS to support the people who have problems from being overweight. I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too?

Sorry, wtf?! What on earth makes you think you pay more tax than 'the average obese person'?!!

And you're complaining that the NHS doesn't pay you enough attention just because you follow a few rules, and are perfectly healthy? Get a grip.

@ViciousJackdaw She brought her kids into it when she was blathering on about how the poor loves will be stuck instead forever while all that fat vaccinated people will be parading the streets without masks displaying their gluttony for all to see.

@Sb2012

I am not saying don’t vaccinate the obese. I have not said that. Anyone high risk should be vaccinated first. That’s fair and the best way forward. However, I am questioning how high risk they are. Is there actual data that puts say a 30 year old obese woman at a higher risk than a 64 years old BAME man? The headlines suggest that the obese adult would be prioritised. If there is such data or evidence where is it? I am not for one moment attacking anyone who is obese, but I am entitled to my opinion just as much as the next person. Also those of you taking about personal responsibility or being selfish etc like I said we (my family and I) have and are doing our bit to help keep cases down and therefore death rates down, but what kind of a message are we giving to people with a BMI of 40+? Are we just saying carry on like you are because it’s ok you will get a vaccine. Obese ppl with such high BMIs didn’t get to that weight overnight. Surely they have been told and are aware of the risks they are invited upon themselves by continuing to pile on the weight. I used to smoke so did DH. When we learnt of the real risks we quit. We are still very tempted to take the habit back up again after all these years but we don’t. There is such a thing as personal responsibility and throwing obese people a lifeline for all health problems bought on by not doing something about their weight isn’t solving the problem either. The majority of very obese people have other health issues too and therefore put on extra pressure on the already struggling NHS. That’s also selfish. I’m sorry you can’t call me selfish when I pay an awful lot of tax that in turn helps the NHS to support the people who have problems from being overweight. I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too?

Just on pg 6, but after this gem, written by the OP to 'rationalize' the previous gems, I had to comment before RTFT.

Christ OP, just stop already! You are so far up your own arse you are about to see daylight.

Here I'll help you get started on being a priority, if everyone chips in you'll be front of the line in no time

It should go by who is most at risk.

I don't mind being one of the last to be offered it. To be honest i'd rather that anyway as it's such a new vaccine. I'm not saying that i'm happy for the vulnerable to be guinea pigs over me, but that many vulnerable people are welcoming being first in line so it kind of suits us all round!

You don’t need to smoke, drink alcohol or take drugs. You can remove yourself from circles where friends,drink, smoke and do drugs. You can’t remove yourself from food

They're both addictions with many factors. There's no need to make out that one is more difficult than the other to break.
Smoking isn't necessarily a social thing for most people and most people struggle to break the habit of smoking because of the other habits they have formed around it.

Having a cigarette with the morning coffee, having a cigarette after food. Many people do stop going out drinking etc. when they give up smoking because they don't want to be around smokers...but as you said they can't give up food just like obese people can't...therefore when they have those meals they feel like they need that cigarette. It's the end of the meal the way that people with food addictions might need something sweet at the end of their meal.

I’m sorry you can’t call me selfish when I pay an awful lot of tax that in turn helps the NHS to support the people who have problems from being overweight. I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too?

OMG. Did you really just say that ? You probably pay more tax than the average obese person. WTF? You’re really not very nice are you OP? I don’t know if to laugh or feel sad at your comments.

Giving up smoking is extremely hard. Why can’t obese people give up over eating?

I didn’t find giving up smoking hard at all. Some people do find it hard. Same as some people find it hard to eat healthy for a variety of reasons. Or find it hard to lose weight. It’s almost like we’re all different? Funny that. 🙄

You sound ridiculously me, me, me. I’d probably get deleted if I said more of what I’m thinking.

Obese people are more at risk than healthy 50 year olds, so, as an almost 50 year old in decent health, I'm fine with it.

I really hope you're just trolling OP but if not give your head a wobble.

Really not pleasant reading and I feel sad your kids have this kind of attitude to learn from in a role model. If they start expressing these kind of views or take this sort of attitude to others it's likely people will have the same attitude to them as people have to you on this thread. Not what I'd want for my kids.

@Northernsoulgirl45

Well op how will they even know that I am obese? Last time I was weighed at the Doctors I was merely overweight after losing 4 stone. Unfortunately I have gained much of it due to the stress of dealing with a chronically ill dh and two kids with SEN iand Mental Health Problems. In the shitfest of a year alone I gained about 2 stone. I am therefore a carer and have a condition other than the disgusting self inflected obesity so I win any race for a vaccine. Anyway I am working on my weight again but it ill take years to sort. Vile thread.

Absolutely vile OP.

Why not pick on every type of vulnerability, OP?

You know, this year has really brought out the worst in people, it’s been very illuminating. I think Thatcher was 30 years early when she said ‘there is no such thing as community’ or was it ‘society’? Can’t quite remember.
Anyway.
I’m glad NOT to be in a vulnerable class. I think that makes me lucky, and in life, probably temporary. Who knows what life brings?

You might end up obese yourself, OP. Oh not through any fault of your own of course, because you’re special.

To me, it’s a logical decision. People who are more vulnerable to being really unwell or dying, should they catch Covid, get the vaccine first. This supports our prime goal through all of this in protecting NHS hospitals so that those unwell from non Covid causes can still receive treatment.
Maybe you can look at it that way, OP? There would be an ICU bed for you/yours should there be a car accident or other life threatening event.

I can’t be arsed to rtft, but @Sb2012 has it not occurred to you that for every group of people that are vaccinated we all benefit? Ultimately the more people who get vaccinated the less covid can spread and reduces the risk for everyone.

Chill your boots, enjoy the rising levels of herd immunity even if you haven’t had the actual vaccine yet and let the poor bastards who are risk of covid killing them have the fucking vaccine.

Most people wanted a Covid vaccine to be invented to save lives. OP wanted it to be used to punish the overweight.

@Onjnmoeiejducwoapy

There’s only one word to describe *@Sb2012* and you Can’t Unfortunately Name That on here.

Quite.

The “ I pay more tax” comment was a particular peach.

My thoughts are nearly every single person I've looked after in critical care has been obese. On rare occasions other issues but I'd estimate over 90%. If got type 2 diabetes too, it's not a good sign either, so yes, it's a big factor.