Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.

[Sb2012]

Just something that came through in a newsfeed. Don’t know how accurate. Headline said “ Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.”
What are your thoughts on this? I’m not sure how I feel tbh. I guess it’s proven that obese people are at a higher risk.
However, what about the under 50 healthy BMI teachers, supermarket workers etc I don’t think it is fair to prioritise an obese 40 year old who works from home or doesn’t work at all over a normal BMI 40 year old teacher, supermarket worker or taxi driver

[Sweettea1]

O yes how unlucky of you not to have health conditions or be overweight.. you do realise don't you that makes you very little risk of becoming seriously unwell never heard anything selfish 😒

[Twatalert]

OP, why don't you inflict some trauma on yourself, make sure you get a fucking eating (because that's what it is at BMI greater than 40) and see how it feels? Then try to get rid of your ED overnight so you don't ever become a burden to the NHS.

I'm so lazy I am using my miserable childhood as a reason to do nothing. In fact I should indeed have killed myself at 14 and just stopped trying to live a life. Those years in therapy, paid by me, were utter bliss. I enjoyed throwing money at a therapist it was great. But because I'm a lazy fat ass therapy still didn't cure my ED and I just keep munching away.

[DahliaMacNamara]

Oh, I wouldn't worry, OP. I'm pretty porky and over 50, but I still haven't qualified as a clinical priority for the flu jab yet, in spite of promises made months ago. My guess is that only the most vulnerable people will be vaccinated outside of their age category, rather than Sarah down the road jumping the queue because she's a size 16.

[Twatalert]

@TheFormerPorpentinaScamander

I can’t help to think is it fair...

Is is fair that I was sexually abused and raped repeatedly by my brother?
Is it fair that those repeated rapes led to 2 pregnancies by the age of 18? (I also now realise my Dad was sexually abusive and I'm trying to un-jumble those memories)
Is it fair that my Mum was emotionally, and on occasion physically abusive. Including restricting what food I was allowed?
Is it fair that those above experiences have led to complex mental health issues the medication for which has caused weight gain?
Is it fair that I have other physical issues, as yet undiagnosed (a combination of covid restrictions and anxiety mean i haven't had the tests I need) which contributed to my weight gain?

Would you like to discuss what's fair?

But actually don't worry. I already know I'm a waste of space. I'm only still here because I don't want my children to think I didn't fight to stay alive for them. Once they are grown up... well who knows.

Dont you know its your own fault? You are just weak.

(Irony and livid on your behalf)

[Sb2012]

I am not saying don’t vaccinate the obese. I have not said that. Anyone high risk should be vaccinated first. That’s fair and the best way forward. However, I am questioning how high risk they are. Is there actual data that puts say a 30 year old obese woman at a higher risk than a 64 years old BAME man? The headlines suggest that the obese adult would be prioritised. If there is such data or evidence where is it?
I am not for one moment attacking anyone who is obese, but I am entitled to my opinion just as much as the next person. Also those of you taking about personal responsibility or being selfish etc like I said we (my family and I) have and are doing our bit to help keep cases down and therefore death rates down, but what kind of a message are we giving to people with a BMI of 40+? Are we just saying carry on like you are because it’s ok you will get a vaccine. Obese ppl with such high BMIs didn’t get to that weight overnight. Surely they have been told and are aware of the risks they are invited upon themselves by continuing to pile on the weight. I used to smoke so did DH. When we learnt of the real risks we quit. We are still very tempted to take the habit back up again after all these years but we don’t. There is such a thing as personal responsibility and throwing obese people a lifeline for all health problems bought on by not doing something about their weight isn’t solving the problem either. The majority of very obese people have other health issues too and therefore put on extra pressure on the already struggling NHS. That’s also selfish.
I’m sorry you can’t call me selfish when I pay an awful lot of tax that in turn helps the NHS to support the people who have problems from being overweight. I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too?

[Lovesgood]

Obesity is a MENTAL ILLNESS! Some of you make me sick! You are just vile, spiteful creatures!
I know I sound very mean and angry, but you would be too if you got ill because you were abused in childhood and then to top it all off society blames YOU for it and bullies you! You should all be so very ashamed of yourselves! And better hope that you will always stay healthy! Because its all down to life style isnt it!?

[MitziK]

@Sb2012

DH and I would be the last ones to be vaccinated. Like many others we don’t fall into any of the categories. We have followed all the rules and done everything we can to help protect the vulnerable around us. It’s been miserable for us too even if we don’t complain. I have kids at school and a newborn. I can’t help to think is it fair that whilst everyone else gets vaccinated and back to a normal life, we would still be wearing masks, SD and avoiding elderly family members because we don’t have health conditions or are obese.

Fine. Go and be healthy.

You might find some difficulty in getting the kids to school, as a large number of teaching and support staff fit many of the descriptors. Could be a problem accessing a nurse for childhood vaccinations or midwife if you want a 4th baby, as many fit the descriptors. Childminders tend to be older women and weight gain is very common as people age, so you might find it a little tricky to get anybody available to look after the kids when you consider going to work. Nurseries, Baby groups and preschools also tend to have a fair number of workers who fall in those categories, too.

Might find it very difficult to get vaccinated for Covid as well - there are a lot of CEV doctors and AHPs.

Other things you might find more difficult include; using public transport, using private hire vehicles, visiting grandparents, ensuring that the grandparents/in laws are well looked after in the event of old age/illness...

In short, if people like you are prioritised, the consequences of that would have multiple negative effects upon you.

[gurglebelly]

Eating too many burgers isnt the rest of the country’s problem to pay for

Seriously just fuck right off with this kind of nonsense. If you follow this logic NOTHING that could be avoided or is as a result of lifestyle should be covered by others - people in car accidents shouldn't be treated (it's not necessary to drive) any kind of sporting accident (your choice, be more careful) anything connected to smoking/drinking/not doing enough exercise, broken ankle because you wore heels in winter? Fuck off you were stupid, why should people pay for other people to have babies...

Maybe childless/child free people shouldn't pay for other people's kids to go to school, and people who have private healthcare shouldn't pay towards the NHS?

Seriously

[CosyQueen]

Op- your an arsehole

[CosyQueen]

Sorry you’re an arsehole

[VanGoghsDog]

@MiddleClassMother

Obesity is mostly self caused, treat the vulnerable and key workers first I say.

They ARE being treated first FFS!

[Twatalert]

@Sb2012

I am not saying don’t vaccinate the obese. I have not said that. Anyone high risk should be vaccinated first. That’s fair and the best way forward. However, I am questioning how high risk they are. Is there actual data that puts say a 30 year old obese woman at a higher risk than a 64 years old BAME man? The headlines suggest that the obese adult would be prioritised. If there is such data or evidence where is it?
I am not for one moment attacking anyone who is obese, but I am entitled to my opinion just as much as the next person. Also those of you taking about personal responsibility or being selfish etc like I said we (my family and I) have and are doing our bit to help keep cases down and therefore death rates down, but what kind of a message are we giving to people with a BMI of 40+? Are we just saying carry on like you are because it’s ok you will get a vaccine. Obese ppl with such high BMIs didn’t get to that weight overnight. Surely they have been told and are aware of the risks they are invited upon themselves by continuing to pile on the weight. I used to smoke so did DH. When we learnt of the real risks we quit. We are still very tempted to take the habit back up again after all these years but we don’t. There is such a thing as personal responsibility and throwing obese people a lifeline for all health problems bought on by not doing something about their weight isn’t solving the problem either. The majority of very obese people have other health issues too and therefore put on extra pressure on the already struggling NHS. That’s also selfish.
I’m sorry you can’t call me selfish when I pay an awful lot of tax that in turn helps the NHS to support the people who have problems from being overweight. I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too?

With all due respect, your don't understand obesity.

Don't compare it with smoking, compare it to a drug addiction.

I think you are just trying to wind everyone up.

[byebyeboyee]

Obesity is often linked to illness wether it's a genetic condition, a thyroid issue, medication, mental health issues, Eating disorder etc nearly no one chooses to be obese the only other thing would be lack of education about nutrition not sure why any of these would not be a reason for someone who was at higher risk of serious/ complications from covid not to receive the vaccine before less at risk people.

[Lovesgood]

OP you are VILE! And dont try to weasel yourself out of it! Accept what a horrible person you are! Its all down to self responsibility according to you! So be responsible and accept that you are a vile, nasty little person! I was obese because I was ABUSED! And I bet there are many such cases!

[Athinginitself]

Honestly give it a rest..you can see you have really upset people here. You'll get your 'turn' with the NHS, you've probably already used it for a multitude of things over your lifetime. Funnily enough the world doesnt revolve around you, obese folk and other people who are vulnerable due to health issues will be vaccinated first, this is as it should be. I'm sure most of those people would swap their chronic health issues or old age for your health in a heartbeat.

[wasgoingmadinthecountry]

I'm overweight, over 55 and asthmatic - yes the asthma was there before the weight.

My gripe isn't to do with that - it's that I'm a teacher. That's why we should be somewhere on the priority list after care workers/NHS front line along with others who can't socially distance at work.

[byebyeboyee]

Smoking is a drug addiction as nicotine which is addictive. I've just given up drinking and eating meat but can't stop smoking and I want to I really do it's aweful.

[HighHeelBoots]

I have taken people to task many times at work re how differently people who are morbidly obese are treated compared to those with anorexia
Both are eating disorders but one of them is treated with sympathy
Both are often routed in childhood trauma

[Kaliorphic]

I’m sorry you can’t call me selfish when I pay an awful lot of tax that in turn helps the NHS to support the people who have problems from being overweight.

Overweight people also pay tax. Who are you to decide who is deserving of something we all pay into. Maybe we should have a rule that arseholes shouldn't receive NHS treatment too. No?

[ColdNovemberNights]

So you dont fall into any vulnerable category?!

So although ‘youve followed the rules’
(Like you should of been)

You think you deserve the vaccine before over weight people?!

Your charming you are!!!!

Im clinically extremely vulnerable, its entitled people like you who i despise !!!

[MadameBlobby]

I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too?

Did you birth your multiple children in the back garden without the assistance of an NHS midwife? No scans or antenatal appointments?

Also,

[SheepandCow]

The government are doing the right thing for once!

It's quite right that those most at risk of serious illness or death are vaccinated first. Obesity is one of the highest risks.

Now, will they also prioritise disabetes (25% of the deaths, worldwide) and hypertension? Let's hope so.

A healthy 55 (especially in a more affluent area) is at lower risk than a 40 year old with obesity or diabetes or hypertension.

[Sb2012]

@Twatalert
Smoking is an addiction. A drug addiction. The drug is called nicotine. It’s an extreme highly addictive substance and as addictive as the other “drugs”

[byebyeboyee]

@wasgoingmadinthecountry

I'm overweight, over 55 and asthmatic - yes the asthma was there before the weight.

My gripe isn't to do with that - it's that I'm a teacher. That's why we should be somewhere on the priority list after care workers/NHS front line along with others who can't socially distance at work.

Teachers should be higher on the list including nursery workers.

[TheFormerPorpentinaScamander]

Thank you for the kind words. @Twatalert your sarcasm made me laugh. I was very weak yesterday when PMT made me eat a massive wholenut bar

to those who have also suffered.