Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.

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Just something that came through in a newsfeed. Don’t know how accurate. Headline said “ Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.”
What are your thoughts on this? I’m not sure how I feel tbh. I guess it’s proven that obese people are at a higher risk.
However, what about the under 50 healthy BMI teachers, supermarket workers etc I don’t think it is fair to prioritise an obese 40 year old who works from home or doesn’t work at all over a normal BMI 40 year old teacher, supermarket worker or taxi driver

@MadameBlobby
Did you not read my post? I said vulnerable people should be treated, there is a lot of people who smoke who don't end up with COPD and cancer. Nearly everyone who eats a calorie excess diet gains weight.

Op you should be grateful you are fit and well.

Nice to know someone like OP doesn’t think I deserve either

Bet she"d expect you to wear a mask to protect her though.

[quote MiddleClassMother]@MadameBlobby
Did you not read my post? I said vulnerable people should be treated, there is a lot of people who smoke who don't end up with COPD and cancer. Nearly everyone who eats a calorie excess diet gains weight. [/quote]
I have misread your post, sorry.

Do you mean 'Let fat people die, they're not worth as much as other people', or am I mistaken?

Didn't one of the health advisers, maybe JVT, say that the vaccines will be rolled out quickly so it was only a matter of weeks difference between groups. So not a huge problem.

Yet another thing to divide people and turn them against each other isn't it?

@MercyBooth

Nice to know someone like OP doesn’t think I deserve either

Bet she"d expect you to wear a mask to protect her though.

Oh god yes. She’ll be happy to use the education and NHS services my tax provides as well. Even us massive fatties can have decent jobs!!

I like Van Tam Got a lot of respect for him.

I'm a healthy(ish) 51year old and of course people more likely to be severely affected than I am should be vaccinated before me and absolutely before a healthy 40 year old.

How would they know? I'm obese and the only time I've had any medical attention over the last god knows how many years were my 2 child births, one of which I didn't even reach the maternity ward because it was such a text book birth and the other where my son spent 3 months in hosptial because he was 13 weeks prem but I was out of bed 7 hours after my epidural and was sent home.

How would any medical professional know my weight or have me on a list for a vaccine?

@MadameBlobby My friend is big and works as an NHS cleaner. Without what she does there would be less infection control.

@PineappleUpsideDownCake it is a constant battle. Before dd2 recent issues I did so well but the stress this year has been unbearable. Hope things improve for you too.

I can’t help to think is it fair that whilst everyone else gets vaccinated and back to a normal life, we would still be wearing masks, SD and avoiding elderly family members because we don’t have health conditions or are obese

I think you may have misunderstood what being vaccinated will mean. Most people who are older or clinically vulnerable won't be going straight back to normality. They won't know if they are in the unlucky percentage for whom the vaccine doesn't fullŷ work, and so will still have to take precautions. If that weren't the case, or if they aren't concerned, you'll be able to visit elderly relatives whether you are vaccinated or not, as long as they are. We also need to wait to see whether the vaccines prevent people transmitting the virus to others or whether it just prevents them personally getting sick. So vaccinated people will likely still be asked to socially distance and wear masks. the guidance on that is likely to remain the same for everyone, it wouldn't be clear who was vaccinated anyway.

Once they know more about how the vaccine is working and what infecfion rates, hospital demand etc are doing, then we might see more changes but by then you will be likely be to be vaccinated soon anyway.
In the meantime having those most vulnerable to severe illness vaccinated will do far more to get you personally back to normal than being vaccinated yourself instead of them, since it will likley mean less pressure on the NHS and more easing of restrictions.

You should count yourself very lucky that, for now at least, you don't have any known medical problems, including obesity. Obesity, especially at BMI over 40, is almost always a complex medical picture and not at all the simple easily solved issue you seem to think, and rarely just a matter of personal fault.

I'm also a front line police officer. Would that make any difference to those saying treat the keyworkers first?

I'm an 45yo and obese, at least partially due to a completely knackered thyroid.

I have asthma as the result of not one, but two bouts of whooping cough. I'm a keyworker in a school but currently on sabbatical caring for my dying 82yo father.

I'm sorry you don't feel I'm worthy of a prompt vaccination.

When will people realise that not everyone with a weight problem is lazy arse than spends their days watching telly and stuffing junk food?

@MadameBlobby
Thankyou :)
Have a good night

BMI >40 has put people into the 'moderate' risk group (sometimes called the flu jab or CV group)

So it really shouldn't be a surprise that the CV are being vaccinated before the healthy u65s

I assume it's the Mirror:

The vaccine priority queue ranked:

1. Residents and staff in a care home for older adults

1. All those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers

1. All those 75 years of age and over

1. All those 70 years of age and over and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals (not including pregnant women and those under 18 years of age)

1. All those 65 years of age and over

1. Adults aged 18 to 65 years in an at-risk group *

1. All those 60 years of age and over

1. All those 55 years of age and over

1. All those 50 years of age and over

So morbid obesity is influenced in priority group 6 which includes :

Chronic respiratory disease

Chronic heart disease and vascular disease

Chronic kidney disease

Chronic liver disease

Chronic neurological disease

Diabetes

Immunosuppression

Asplenia or dysfunction of the spleen

Morbid obesity

Severe mental illness

Adult carers

Adult household members, close contacts and carers of immunocompromised adults (i.e. individuals who expect to share living accommodation on most days, or those providing regular care, where continuing close contact is unavoidable).

Younger adults in long-stay nursing and residential care settings.

But the headline is 'Severely obese to get vaccine before fit and healthy over-60s, guidance confirms' because? Clickbait? Headline could just as easily be 'People with Chronic heart disease and vascular disease to get vaccine before fit and healthy over-60s, guidance confirms' but I guess that wouldn't get as many clicks?
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/severely-obese-vaccine-before-fit-23081571

“The JCVI’s interim advice on COVID-19 vaccine prioritisation was developed with the aim of preventing as many deaths as possible.

“The evidence shows that at-risk groups – including people with a BMI of over 40 – have an overall higher risk of death from COVID-19 than those without underlying health conditions.”

So, seems reasonable to do it that way.

Omg lol. The internet gets worse.

This really is a worrying thread.

Adult household members, close contacts and carers of immunocompromised adults (i.e. individuals who expect to share living accommodation on most days, or those providing regular care, where continuing close contact is unavoidable

I would fall into this group.

Included not influenced, damn you autocarrot!

Here comes the fat shames 🙄

Hope all the residents and their relatives can get the vaccine soon. I work in a care home.