Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.

[Sb2012]

Just something that came through in a newsfeed. Don’t know how accurate. Headline said “ Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.”
What are your thoughts on this? I’m not sure how I feel tbh. I guess it’s proven that obese people are at a higher risk.
However, what about the under 50 healthy BMI teachers, supermarket workers etc I don’t think it is fair to prioritise an obese 40 year old who works from home or doesn’t work at all over a normal BMI 40 year old teacher, supermarket worker or taxi driver

[BernieInn]

I genuinely don't understand the mentality of people who are the priority list and start applying moral judgments about whether a particular group "deserves" it.

Applying the same logic, I don't think we should treat any smoking related illness, or anyone injured in an accident whilst doing an uncessary activity (e.g. skiing), or anyone who hasn't stuck exactly to the government recommended daily allowance of everything.

[Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow]

It’s based on clinical need. So I have no issue with this at all.

This is a virus of the elderly and the obese. It’s is disease relating to diet. The reasons for obesity are multi factorial and now isn’t the time to blame.

It is the time to get Britain moving and stop us living off absolute shite, however

[vdbfamily]

the last people to be vaccinated are those very unlikely to get serious unwell and has died of they caught Covid so you do not have too much to be anxious about. I am obese and asthmatic and work in an acute hospital, sometimes on Covid wards. The person I share my office with had just returned to work after having Covid and 4 more of our team have had it. I do not feel the least bit anxious about it and am thankfull that going to work has helped me remain grounded and not assume there is clouds of Covid spores around every corner. The vast majority of people who get Covid are fine, even elderly people and those with underlying illnesses.

[justasking111]

Drakeford said today patients with covid are in hospital for three weeks on average, so to avoid bed blocking I suppose they are looking at the reason people are taking up these beds, old, ill health, fat. They are just looking at statistics nothing personal in it.

[3littlewords]

@Sb2012

DH and I would be the last ones to be vaccinated. Like many others we don’t fall into any of the categories. We have followed all the rules and done everything we can to help protect the vulnerable around us. It’s been miserable for us too even if we don’t complain. I have kids at school and a newborn. I can’t help to think is it fair that whilst everyone else gets vaccinated and back to a normal life, we would still be wearing masks, SD and avoiding elderly family members because we don’t have health conditions or are obese.

What makes you so fucking special that means you should go before someone else? Are you and your DH the only people who have followed rules therefore you should be first in line?
Seriously give your head a wobble

[Ivalueloyaltyaboveallelse]

This is a vile post OP. You sound like a complete a hole

[justasking111]

@vodkaredbullgirl

Hope all the residents and their relatives can get the vaccine soon. I work in a care home.

Oh so do I a care home near us had 15 die, 56 infected and 33 staff infected.

[MadameBlobby]

@vodkaredbullgirl

Hope all the residents and their relatives can get the vaccine soon. I work in a care home.

Hear hear!

[SunshineYello]

It's just typical click bait to stir up anger, and I believe it has since been edited to make it less polarising (this often happens with a certain newspaper). I've now read the article in question, and it's 'morbidly obese people with a BMI over 40'. Further drilling down shows that they are in fact priority level 6, aka 'aged 18-65 in an at risk group'. So there are 5 other groups taking precedence over 'healthy people' that the headline neglects to mention for some reason...
In tes of prioritising scarce resources, they now know that people with a BMI >40 are twice as likely to die of Covid, so seems sensible to me 🤷

[SunshineYello]

'terms' not tes..

[MadameBlobby]

[quote MiddleClassMother]@MadameBlobby
Thankyou :)
Have a good night[/quote]
You too x

[manicinsomniac]

However, what about the under 50 healthy BMI teachers, supermarket workers etc I don’t think it is fair to prioritise an obese 40 year old who works from home or doesn’t work at all over a normal BMI 40 year old teacher, supermarket worker or taxi driver

I think YABU. Vaccination priority should be on need.

I would far rather my morbidly obese, working from home relative got a vaccine than me, a very thin teacher.

They have a low chance of catching Covid and a high chance of serious illness or death. I have a high chance of catching Covid and a very low chance of serious illness or death. I know which position I'd rather be in!

We both have eating disorders, by the way. It's just that their's has made them very overweight and mine has made me very underweight. That doesn't make me superior or more valuable. I just have a different symptom that happens not to be Covid-dangerous.

[mellicauli]

It won’t take long..just start chomping now and you too can have the vaccine by March.

[dontforgetbilly]

How about a beauty pageant or a national vaccine lottery instead?

[LimitIsUp]

"and I know an obese 40 year old who can barely get to the bottom of his garden. It's not HIS fault...he had an abusive childhood...starved and neglected..."

Yes, there is often a back story like this. It's quite miserable to be morbidly obese - hardly a lifestyle 'choice'. Attitudes like the OPs are pervasive and unkind

[Oreservoir]

@Sb2012. But you wouldn’t have to keep away from elderly relatives because they would have been vaccinated.

[GalaxyCookieCrumble]

Just read it in The Daily Mail 🙄

[MotherExtraordinaire]

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Many very sick COVID-19 patients, like some in this Brazilian intensive care unit, have obesity. GUSTAVO BASSO/NURPHOTO/GETTY IMAGES
Why COVID-19 is more deadly in people with obesity—even if they’re young
By Meredith WadmanSep. 8, 2020 , 6:00 PM

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“He was a young, healthy, hardworking guy,” recalls MaryEllen Antkowiak, a pulmonary critical care physician who is medical director of the hospital’s ICU. “His major risk factor for getting this sick was obesity.”

Since the pandemic began, dozens of studies have reported that many of the sickest COVID-19 patients have been people with obesity. In recent weeks, that link has come into sharper focus as large new population studies have cemented the association and demonstrated that even people who are merely overweight are at higher risk. For example, in the first metaanalysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.

The professions you mention are not all as impacted as first anticipated. For example, taxi and bus drivers have been greater impacted than teschers, apparently.
There will with any qualifying factors always be a line that is drawn which means some qualify and some don't.

[ChocolateCherrybomb]

Maybe you can console yourself with the idea that us worthless fatties can act as the wider test study for vaccine safety before it's given to worthwhile thin people. If there's an unseen deadly safety problem, it will be us useless fat bastards who drop dead before it gets to you.

Win win eh? Well tested safe vaccine or dead fatsters.

[rookiemere]

@mellicauli yes the bad side of me wondered how much I'd need to put on to get to the obese category . I am squarely in overweight so if I started the Tescos salted caramel liqueur binge early .....
Plus how will they know who's got BMI >40 ? Only people who have been weighed at the doctors would surely qualify, and they are hardly going to have scales at the injection sites.

[SixesAndEights]

@Sb2012

DH and I would be the last ones to be vaccinated. Like many others we don’t fall into any of the categories. We have followed all the rules and done everything we can to help protect the vulnerable around us. It’s been miserable for us too even if we don’t complain. I have kids at school and a newborn. I can’t help to think is it fair that whilst everyone else gets vaccinated and back to a normal life, we would still be wearing masks, SD and avoiding elderly family members because we don’t have health conditions or are obese.

Listen to yourself, OP.

[GalaxyCookieCrumble]

@Joditaylorfan

There weren't many "thin" deaths in my part of the hospital. Vast majority were obese. It would be fab if they were vaccinated, bloody difficult turning the larger patient on life support machine up-side down for better lung ventilation.

ITU would be proud of you

[Ceebs85]

Tory voter perchance?