Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.

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Just something that came through in a newsfeed. Don’t know how accurate. Headline said “ Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.”
What are your thoughts on this? I’m not sure how I feel tbh. I guess it’s proven that obese people are at a higher risk.
However, what about the under 50 healthy BMI teachers, supermarket workers etc I don’t think it is fair to prioritise an obese 40 year old who works from home or doesn’t work at all over a normal BMI 40 year old teacher, supermarket worker or taxi driver

[quote OverTheRainbow88]@Newuser991

Yes I almost think it should be rolled out to the fit and healthy as a trial before trying it on all the vulnerable and our key workers!!![/quote]
There is wisdom in that.

It is very worrying how covid has brought out the true natures of some people on here. The ones who have no problems with the old, the vulnerable, the disabled, the ill, the people who dare to have a BMI over 20, dying a horrible death.

It's truely disgusting.

We will all get older. As we get older we are more susceptible to diseases like cancer. We will all get frail, possibly suffer cognitive impairment.

We are all just an accident away from a physical disability.

We are all at risk of becoming overweight - medications, illness, unable to exercise, depression......

Instead we have people complaining that people at risk of being seriously ill and dying getting the vaccine before them because they believe they are somewhat superior, or "good".

Well, you are not. For your information fat, elderly, clinically vulnerable people also pay for the NHS and are, therefore, like smokers and skiers, entitled to use it. Free at the point of service and so on....

At least one of the vaccines has been tested on general members of the public- friends are currently taking part in a randomised trial. It's the long term side effects that I slightly worry about. Still for my octogenarian DPs that's not such a worry as I'm just keen for them to be able to resume some sort of life while they still can.

I wonder if OP has concerns about the fact that as soon as the vaccine is available commercially- although I don't know when that will be as governments have bought up all the current and future stock - people will pay for it and bump the queue that way. I certainly will if it's not a ridiculous price and having had it allows you to travel again.

My bmi was 55 this time last year. I have worked very very very hard to lose weight - my bmi is now 41- and I’m still working extremely hard to get it down to a healthy range. No one with a bmi over 40 actively choses to be that way- there are often many factors combined that explain why someone gets morbidly obese, whether that be health conditions, or mental illness etc.
I have done this for my own health and so I can stick around longer for my 3 year old boy.
Why do you think your any better than me- do I deserve to die more than you?
Do you think your the only person who has followed the rules throughout lockdown? Do you think you’re the only family that has made sacrifices and struggled through this pandemic?
You seem extremely selfish and pig ignorant. The world does not revolve solely around you and your family- thank god!

Just let the doctors set the priority. What we can all do is stop this selfishness around the early vaccine, all those people saying they won't take it until it's been in service for a year or more disgust me. Take the vaccine when you are called, its everyone's risk and everyone's responsibility to everyone else.

@SecretSpAD

It is very worrying how covid has brought out the true natures of some people on here. The ones who have no problems with the old, the vulnerable, the disabled, the ill, the people who dare to have a BMI over 20, dying a horrible death.

It's truely disgusting.

We will all get older. As we get older we are more susceptible to diseases like cancer. We will all get frail, possibly suffer cognitive impairment.

We are all just an accident away from a physical disability.

We are all at risk of becoming overweight - medications, illness, unable to exercise, depression......

Instead we have people complaining that people at risk of being seriously ill and dying getting the vaccine before them because they believe they are somewhat superior, or "good".

Well, you are not. For your information fat, elderly, clinically vulnerable people also pay for the NHS and are, therefore, like smokers and skiers, entitled to use it. Free at the point of service and so on....

This.

I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too

I dont normally post this because it makes me sound like a knob, but as you are already a bigger knob than I am here goes....

I am a multi millionaire.
I am married to a multi millionaire
I earn on average £500K a year

I am also overweight.

I seriously doubt you pay more tax than I do.

@SecretSpAD

I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too

I dont normally post this because it makes me sound like a knob, but as you are already a bigger knob than I am here goes....

I am a multi millionaire.
I am married to a multi millionaire
I earn on average £500K a year

I am also overweight.

I seriously doubt you pay more tax than I do.

Love it 😄👍🏻👏🏻

what message are we giving to fat people by giving them priority for the jab?

The only message that truely matters. We value your life and we don't want you to die.

Of course those most at risk should be prioritised but it's not clear who they are. Do you do it by people who are most likely to become seriously ill or people who are most likely to be exposed?

Either way, I do think we need a serious step change in the way we talk about and deal with obesity and metabolic disorder. The figures are truly shocking in terms of the vulnerabilities it creates, to all manner of illness, not just covid and yet even medical professionals are slated if they are to suggest a patient needs to change their lifestyle.

We need a public health campaign to massively reduce rates of obesity in the same way we reduced smoking imo. It will be hard and it won't happen over night (like smoking didn't) but it does need to happen.

I do think that vulnerable groups should be given priority; however, I also believe that there should be some thought put into vaccinating groups who are most likely to come into contact with the virus (not just care / health workers) versus who work from home or who won't meet the virus to the same degree. So it's ridiculous not to at least consider also vaccinating people who work daily with large groups of children, e.g teachers!

However, what about the under 50 healthy BMI teachers, supermarket workers etc I don’t think it is fair to prioritise an obese 40 year old who works from home or doesn’t work at all over a normal BMI 40 year old teacher, supermarket worker or taxi driver

Nice assumption there that being overweight you can't possibly contribute anything to anything. Can't possibly be any key workers that are also overweight, no siree.
I don't mind forgoing my vaccine so that someone with a better BMI than me can have it instead. I'm sure the residents and their families will understand that I'm deemed unworthy of it by people like you, despite my job, because I'm overweight.
I'm sure everyone who thinks it's unfair will all be totally willing to go and do my job for minimum wage too, when I get it and if seriously ill or die, leaving the home short staffed and people without care?
If such a large proportion of the country is obese, it stands to reason that at least some of them are in key worker roles, and paying tax. Won't be a problem if none of them can work though right, because all the healthy people can just go and do those jobs if we don't want to vaccinate overweight people? Fairs fair.......

Yeah and my obese single db has barely been yto the Doctors his whole life and is a HRT payer. Why should he subsidise people like you op?

Obese not morbidly obese if that matters

People are looking for offence. That quote doesn't say you don't vaccinate obese people in key jobs @MoodieMare and it certainly doesn't say there are no obese people in key jobs, it just questions whether those who aren't working in high risk situations should have priority over those who are.

@BecomeStronger

I would agree if it didn't have the words 'healthy bmi' before the list of jobs and 'obese' referencing the home worker in relation to prioritising the vaccine.
Do I think someone who works from home should be prioritised over someone who's at higher risk because of their job? No. But their BMI has nothing to do with that.

But that's the point, currently it is suggested that people are prioritised on the grounds of obesity, regardless of whether they go out to work or not.

They have to get this rolled out quickly and surely it’s easier and quicker to target specific groups then trawling through files and records to find out what someone’s job is to put them in a different place on the list.

As someone else said it’s only likely to be a matter of weeks between all the different groups getting it and the obese are in the category 6th on the list, it’s hardly like they’re jumping to the head of the queue.

I'm genuinely really intrigued as to why you think you pay more tax that the average obese person?

Similarly to you, I am late 30's my BMI is in the healthy range so will be last in line for the vaccine, however because I'm not a prize arsehole I would much rather someone who is at risk of becoming seriously ill or dying from covid is vaccinated before me, as surely to common goal here is to save as many lives as possible no?

I'm honestly a little bit disappointed that anyone thinks like this at all

@BecomeStronger

The tone of the quote suggests that the OP thinks that people with a healthy BMI are in jobs that are higher risk, where as obese people aren't. That's the bit I'm talking about, that being overweight means you can't have other factors that put you at higher risk, it's all about the fat.
I'm more than just overweight I have and I am contributing despite my BMI. It's the assumption that someone overweight doesn't that's irritating, like in the OP where healthy BMI is alongside the list of higher risk jobs and obese is alongside the homeworker.
It's a widely held assumption though, that being fat = lazy. That's what that quote gets at to me.

@MadameBlobby

They have to get this rolled out quickly and surely it’s easier and quicker to target specific groups then trawling through files and records to find out what someone’s job is to put them in a different place on the list.

As someone else said it’s only likely to be a matter of weeks between all the different groups getting it and the obese are in the category 6th on the list, it’s hardly like they’re jumping to the head of the queue.

Wouldn't doing the vaccination in workplaces be one of the most efficient ways to get it done. Do everyone in a school, for example, without wasting time checking who needs it most?

@rookiemere

Priority for getting the vaccine should be purely based on who is most likely to become seriously ill if they catch covid. They must have determined from the statistics that high BMI is a strong factor. The sooner the most vulnerable people get vaccinated, the sooner we can hopefully get back to some old style normal.

This.

And I'm going to make the daring assumption that those putting the criteria together have a better handle on this than random people posting on Mumsnet.

[quote MoodieMare]@BecomeStronger

The tone of the quote suggests that the OP thinks that people with a healthy BMI are in jobs that are higher risk, where as obese people aren't. That's the bit I'm talking about, that being overweight means you can't have other factors that put you at higher risk, it's all about the fat.
I'm more than just overweight I have and I am contributing despite my BMI. It's the assumption that someone overweight doesn't that's irritating, like in the OP where healthy BMI is alongside the list of higher risk jobs and obese is alongside the homeworker.
It's a widely held assumption though, that being fat = lazy. That's what that quote gets at to me.[/quote]
It’s clear that that’s exactly what OP thinks, that obese people are lazy and not worthwhile members of society. She as good as says it with her comments about not working at all and the tax comment.

Could do I guess @BecomeStronger, I would imagine that’s how they’ll do it in care homes.

@SecretSpAD

I probably pay more tax than the average obese person, what about not being selfish and letting the NHS pay some attention to people like me too

I dont normally post this because it makes me sound like a knob, but as you are already a bigger knob than I am here goes....

I am a multi millionaire.
I am married to a multi millionaire
I earn on average £500K a year

I am also overweight.

I seriously doubt you pay more tax than I do.

As the kids would say "Burn!"