Oxford initial news

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Covid-19: Oxford University vaccine shows 70% protection www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55040635

70% would have been so amazing a couple of weeks ago - it’s still great news but compared to the 95% rate of the other vaccines is a bit disappointing given that the Oxford vaccine is the one we have in greatest supply. I’m still so relieved that there are now three successful candidates though - the light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter.

Sky News puts it a bit more encouragingly:-

news.sky.com/uk

Yeah we would have been pleased with 70% a month ago but it does seem disappointing. Maybe it would be best to give the other vaccines to the most vulnerable and the Oxford to younger people

It's interesting about this 90% thing with a 1 and 1/2 doses

The 70% bit just makes everything a bit more complicated, doesn't it?

It's good news for lots of countries around the world who haven't got vaccines lined up. Also even at 70% it's better than nothing and used in conjunction with the 95% vaccine could help towards herd immunity

The flu jab is about 65% effective so its better then that.
I think we need to wait to see exactly what the effectiveness on all the vaccines are when there rolled out to a bigger amount of people.

The flu jab is about 65% effective so its better then that

Flu jab is based on predicted strain, so that's like comparing apples and oranges. The jab is very effective, but it might turn out that strains other than those in the jab might be the ones in highest circulation.

If they administered 2 jabs, then the effectiveness will be on a par with the mRNA jabs. is there any information yet on how it performs on the elderly, and if it is suitable for those who cannot have other live vaccines?

I read something saying they think it could be up to 90% effective if a specific dosing regime is used. Plus they said no serious covid cases in the 20,000 who had the vaccine. I guess that is good news for those who can take the vaccine but less encouraging for those who can't as they can't rely on herd immunity so much. The more who take it the better.

It’s 90% with 2 doses, the first dose a half dose. This is very good news, it means that 3 doses can vaccinate 2 peoples. The Pfizer one was 90 something % with 2 full doses. And there was no severe disease or hospitalisations with indications that it may also stop transmission! Fucking brilliant 🥳

I’d read that it is cheaper and easier to store so much easier to roll out in developing countries which is great news. Unfortunately globalisation means that ultimately other countries need to be vaccinated as well as uk so this is good news.

The Oxford one has been shown to work well in older people hasn't it? Have the others?

Also pro for the Oxford vaccine is maybe more people will take it as it's not an mRNA vaccine so more normal/less experimental.

From what I understand its 70% with one does and up to 90% with one and a half doses is that right?

So 100 million doses will be well over enough to vaccinated everyone over 18 in our country!

I'm sure more data will be coming along and we'll understand more.

Yes, good result in older people - www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-19-oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-produces-strong-immune-response-older-adults

Plus it doesn't need -70 C storage so a lot easier for GP surgeries to deal with!

Matt Hancock on bbc saying also that those who got Covid were not hospitalised and that reduced transmission but it needs to be regulated. As do Moderna and Pfizer and the rest.

Strangely 2 full doses showed 65% efficiency... Still 3 vaccines looking likely to be passed befor Xmas... A month ago this would have been played down as clutching at straws but now it is a reality!

Matt Hancock on BBC saying 70% and then 90%, which I don’t fully understand, I’m sure it will be explained properly later

I am a bit sceptical about the claims of other vaccines of 90 odd per cent - it may well be that the figures are up to rather than precisely that figure
& pp said quoting from sky news up to 80% is more likely - to be practical this may be easier to store & cheaper (because of transport & storage) - although I am enthusiastic about getting a vaccine & I do believe that they are safe I do wonder if the difficulties of storage etc might mean that the American/German vaccine may make it liable/vulnerable to becoming inactive (?)

No, 70% with TWO doses

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I’d read that it is cheaper and easier to store so much easier to roll out in developing countries which is great news. Unfortunately globalisation means that ultimately other countries need to be vaccinated as well as uk so this is good news.

Yes, this is what I have read too. Might be 70% but has a much further reach due to it not having to be stored so carefully.

Also - partial prevention ie the vaccine may also work because if you do get virus than it is milder?

I think it’s the cost that the dealbreaker here, for developing countries at least. About $3 for two doses compared to $30-50 for Pfizer and Moderna.

I would rather take the Oxford .. plus he can be kept in a fridge
Well done to all the scientists