To be weary of the vaccines?

[PunkyPirate]

Will you be getting it?

Will you be allowing your children to get it?

I'm curious to peoples responses as my social media seems to be full of posts from people mocking those who will get the vaccine.

I'm by no means an anti Vaxer. Myself and my children have had all vaccinations and have the flu jab yearly. My only worry is that not enough is known about the long term side effects.

I'll be having it as will the rest of my family. We've had scientifically qualified people say time and time again that it's not rushed but that its had more money and less time waiting for paperwork to go through etc.

We've got plenty of people who are are suffering from long Covid in all age groups including my husband who coughs 9 months later. Why people would rather take their chances with the virus and long Covid, which is untreatable rather than take a studied virus is mind boggling.

I do hope that they do tell people they can't travel etc if they refuse a vaccination. No vaccine will provide 100% cover and I don't know why people think it's ok to put others at risk.

@KeysDontBelongInTheFridge

After talking to two of my friends who are nurses, and two who are doctors all four are going to refuse the vaccine. This makes me more than a bit wary.

This has nothing to do with the vaccine itself. Frankly doctors and nurses can be ignorant, selfish dickheads too if they’re that way inclined. Our Trust has had the lowest uptake of the flu vaccine it ever has this year. When investigating this, it is apparent that it has nothing to do with the safety or effectiveness of the vaccine and most people can give no reason why they haven’t done it other than they just didn’t. It’s very disappointing and a shit attitude to have if you’re a health professional.

The pharma companies can’t win really, if there was no vaccine or they said well we want to do a 25y study into the long term effects there would be uproar because they’d want it right now.

So they work their bollocks off and get a vaccine in a year and everyone’s like well I’m not taking it because there might be a long term side effect. Like not dying of covid.

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I should hope health professional “refusers” will have to wear a badge indicating such. And that they must wear full PPE when dealing with patients... forever.

Really nice posters who sneer at the “guinea pigs” going first. What if everyone said no thank you? I presume these are the brainiacs who want full lockdown for years and spout “lives before economy” (except the lives of manufacturers/delivery drivers/national grid etc etc).

I was listening to a nurse justifying her smoking yesterday as being not that bad for you because saturated fats used to be bad for you and now it’s good for you. I also work with one who says poor health is caused by WiFi and that when 5g is installed there will be mass loss of life.

Their not as sensible as you’d like to think.

Really nice posters who sneer at the “guinea pigs” going first

Horrible isn't it?

FWIW I'm another who won't be "going first" even if I could, though far from being an anti-vaxxer I'm just cautious - but I wouldn't sneer at someone else's choices, and actually I think they're rather brave

I should hope health professional “refusers” will have to wear a badge indicating such. And that they must wear full PPE when dealing with patients... forever.

did you clap every Thursday evening?

I see the protests today at Kings Cross at lunch time are being spun in the Daily Mail as anti-lockdown - they're mostly anti mandatory vaccination - interesting

And no comments allowed so far

I will definitely be taking the vaccine and the sooner the better!

As soon as I can have it without depriving more critical / vulnerable groups I will. I'll drive to the other end of the country, queue outside for hours in the cold, etc.

Yes there are tiny risks to vaccination but the risk of long covid is greater in my opinion and I want my life back! I know fit, healthy, active, workaholics who had covid and suffering still six months on. I'm fed up of not seeing my family and friends without social distancing. I miss going the office (although I know I'm extremely fortunate to WFH). I want to go to the gym and just do simple things like have a drink with another person and get a bus. Its been nearly 9 months!

@Jumbogirl on The Guardian they’re being reported as anti-lockdown too. Where did you hear was about mandatory vaccination? I’ve also noticed none of them are wearing masks in the photographs that have been published.

(That doesn’t necessarily mean anything though, for all I know those photographs could have been taken last year to document a whole different protest!)

@KeysDontBelongInTheFridge I read it in a comment in the Daily Mail last week - the story was about mandatory vaccinations in the UK and in the comments it said something like "Protest at Kings Cross at lunch time about this on Saturday 28th"

I see there are no comments allowed on the Guardian either but that's nothing new. They only allow comments on very specific stories - wouldn't want to let the plebs revolt too much.

I am concerned that proper discussion is being discouraged by the left or right media at the moment. . Also crap reporting - like no mention of how many people were at the protests. (It looked like a lot.)

KeysDontBelongInTheFridge "After talking to two of my friends who are nurses, and two who are doctors all four are going to refuse the vaccine. This makes me more than a bit wary."

I think the problem is that many people who work in health are concerned that vax side effects and adverse events are not being properly recorded. It's not that many doctors and nurses are selfish dickheads (as another poster suggested) - largely they're pretty good people in my experience. However, can I just mention 2 experiences in my circle of friends?

Experience 1: Friend's DD had the hpv vaccine. Directly afterwards (like 15 mins) she had her first seizure. She now has an ongoing seizure disorder. She and the mum were reassured it had nothing to do the vaccine and so no one recorded it as an adverse vax event. Why? I can only guess pressure to toe the line of "all vaccines are safe always".

Experience 2: Another friend's DD had the hpv vaccine. She was struck down with a sort of chronic fatigue syndrome afterwards for months. She has recovered now - sort of - but still struggles. Again, not recorded because the youngster and her mum were told all vaccines are safe always and their experience had nothing to do with the vax.

Also in my experience medical professionals are terrified to even vaguely criticize vaccines publicly. Careers get ruined very quickly.

OMG have people read the side effects of Ibuprofen or paracetamol yet we take these regularly. There is always someone who has a friend of a friend or an aunt or a cousin who had a bad reaction to a vaccine Personally in my 49 years on this earth I have yet to encounter someone who has a violent reaction to a vaccine or a over the counter medication. Though my anecdotal argument has no more or less standing than those people I argue against huh

@juno the medics I know have no problem with the vaccine.

Sorry, I mean @Jumbogirl

Hi @Mumisnotmyonlyname sorry that quote about "After talking to two of my friends who are nurses, and two who are doctors all four are going to refuse the vaccine. This makes me more than a bit wary." was from KeysDontBelongInTheFridge. It was not my words - I just quoted them to say

Personally, I have one doctor friend who is so far not keen on the Covid vax (and another doc mate who says please sign me up.

I was just quoting Key's words because I think there isn't total agreement amongst docs at the moment but more importantly I am concerned that there has been and still is such a strong lobby against the "crazy stupid anti-vaxxers" that proper open debate has been and is being stifled in the medical community. People are scared of having their careers ruined after what happened with the autism paper.

In my opinion the correct response would have been to publish a string of brilliant papers to rebuke Andrew Wakefield's theory on autism and vaccines. Instead the pro-vax lobby went after him personally and ruined his career completely. Debate was stifled unless it was pro-vax and people aren't dumb - they know that.

"Yes there are tiny risks to vaccination"

I don't think we can assume that fluffi. There may be tiny risks statistically associated with some vaccines but we haven't seen the data on the new covid vaccines yet.

@Jumbogirl

Hi *@Mumisnotmyonlyname* sorry that quote about "After talking to two of my friends who are nurses, and two who are doctors all four are going to refuse the vaccine. This makes me more than a bit wary." was from KeysDontBelongInTheFridge. It was not my words - I just quoted them to say

Personally, I have one doctor friend who is so far not keen on the Covid vax (and another doc mate who says please sign me up.

I was just quoting Key's words because I think there isn't total agreement amongst docs at the moment but more importantly I am concerned that there has been and still is such a strong lobby against the "crazy stupid anti-vaxxers" that proper open debate has been and is being stifled in the medical community. People are scared of having their careers ruined after what happened with the autism paper.

In my opinion the correct response would have been to publish a string of brilliant papers to rebuke Andrew Wakefield's theory on autism and vaccines. Instead the pro-vax lobby went after him personally and ruined his career completely. Debate was stifled unless it was pro-vax and people aren't dumb - they know that.

Nonsense There was paper after that showed that there was no connection between mmr and autism . Wakefield was asked to replicate his work and he never did and nobody else could because he had faked his own results in the first place.

The pharma companies can’t win really, if there was no vaccine or they said well we want to do a 25y study into the long term effects there would be uproar because they’d want it right now.

Ongoing Phase IV epidemiological trials don't just stop when a therapy is launched to market. Ongoing outcomes data continues to be gathered, analysed and shared for as long as a therapy is available for use in general populations. Safety and efficacy data needs to be constantly refreshed and updates, long after the first trial data is released to enable FDA/EMEA approval to be obtained.

yes bruffin there was paper after paper setting out the no connection between mmr and autism bit BUT the pro-vax lobby did go after him on a very personal level and they did ruin his career (and make him quite famous) and debate has been stifled unless it was pro-vax - until now of course.

Most doctors and nurses want to have it. Wearing a surgical mask with an air gap and worrying about getting covid its the alternative. Pregnant health care workers won't get it but will be working with covid patients if less than 28 weeks.

I'll get it and i hope that if there aren't enough people getting it to form a decent herd immunity and remove all restrictions, then restrictions are placed on those who refuse for no good reason. Nobody should be holding us back unless there is a very good reason (and your 'hunch' isn't a good enough reason).