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To be weary of the vaccines?

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PunkyPirate · 21/11/2020 18:04

Will you be getting it?

Will you be allowing your children to get it?

I'm curious to peoples responses as my social media seems to be full of posts from people mocking those who will get the vaccine.

I'm by no means an anti Vaxer. Myself and my children have had all vaccinations and have the flu jab yearly. My only worry is that not enough is known about the long term side effects.

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HotSince63 · 24/11/2020 12:03

People who would choose not to have the jab - could the rest of us choose not to pay for your hospital treatment please?

Only if I can choose not to pay for hospital treatment for smokers, drinkers, overweight people, IVF, cosmetic surgery, people who do extreme sports, shall I go on?

Do you see where that ends up going?

Caroncarona · 24/11/2020 12:09

could the rest of us choose not to pay for your hospital treatment please?

Sure. If I get to choose to not contribute tax towards anything you might need. I'd be hugely better off.

southeastdweller · 24/11/2020 12:17

Maybe after a year or so after millions of guinea pigs have had theirs but not until then.

BloomShine · 24/11/2020 12:18

People who would choose not to have the jab - could the rest of us choose not to pay for your hospital treatment please

If I caught Covid and I may already have, the chances of me needing any form of hospital treatment is probably 1 in 10,000. It is a very slippery slope of denying treatment to people. Should obese people not get treatment for Covid? What about smokers? If I need a kidney should you be forced to give me yours? I don’t want to take a vaccine that has been rushed for a virus that is no risk to me.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 24/11/2020 12:32

Would I take it just to be able to go on holiday? Probably not. I can go a couple of years without a holiday

Too bloody right I would! That would actually be my main reason for having it, I'm desperate to go somewhere.

GoldenOmber · 24/11/2020 12:50

@southeastdweller

Maybe after a year or so after millions of guinea pigs have had theirs but not until then.
I don't quite get this.

So you don't think the vaccine is safe enough for you to take until there is data from millions of other people trying it first. But you also refer to those people as 'guinea pigs', like you think it's a foolish thing to do. Not 'thanks brave volunteers for taking more risk than I'm willing to', no, 'guinea pigs'.

So if you don't want vaccines that haven't been given to millions of people, and you also don't think millions of people should sign up to get vaccines, how do you think we'd ever get any new medicines at all?

Don't get the vaccine if you don't want it, up to you, demand is going to massively outstrip supply for quite a while yet anyway. I just don't get the sneery 'guinea pigs' approach.

GoldenOmber · 24/11/2020 12:54

@BloomShine

People who would choose not to have the jab - could the rest of us choose not to pay for your hospital treatment please

If I caught Covid and I may already have, the chances of me needing any form of hospital treatment is probably 1 in 10,000. It is a very slippery slope of denying treatment to people. Should obese people not get treatment for Covid? What about smokers? If I need a kidney should you be forced to give me yours? I don’t want to take a vaccine that has been rushed for a virus that is no risk to me.

"the chances of me needing any form of hospital treatment is probably 1 in 10,000" "I don’t want to take a vaccine that has been rushed for a virus that is no risk to me"

A risk of 1 in 10,000 isn't no risk though? No risk would be 0 in 10,000. Fair enough a risk of 1 in 10,000 is a very small risk, but it's not no risk.

Do you think the vaccine would have a greater than 1 in 10,000 chance of hospitalising you?

ZaphodBeeblerox · 24/11/2020 13:08

WTAF long term side effects do you think you get from a one time (or two time) jab? What vaccine in the history of humanity has ever been proven to have a long term side effect?

And we definitely know that we do not know the long term side effects of covid, but that there is a good chance it includes long term damage to vital organs, permanently reduced lung capacity, and neurological symptoms which may persist.

People just keep saying “long term” like it’s some fucking mantra - what does that even mean to you?

I will of course be taking the vaccine as soon as it is available to my age group. I do wish people would stop being so idiotic though!

BloomShine · 24/11/2020 13:17

Ahem

The swine flu vaccine caused lifelong narcolepsy. Cases have been going through the courts in Ireland.

QueenBlueberries · 24/11/2020 13:43

Did you not see that bit stating 'we did not find an association between AS03- or MF59-adjuvanted pH1N1 vaccines and narcolepsy in children or adults in the sites studied, although power to evaluate the AS03-adjuvanted Pandemrix brand vaccine was limited in our study.'

There is one case in Ireland. Currently, long-covid affects thousands and thousands of people around the globe.

BloomShine · 24/11/2020 14:00

Two cases settled so far. They have only just started.100 more waiting to be settled.

adoiada · 24/11/2020 14:09

What vaccine in the history of humanity has ever been proven to have a long term side effect?

Well, presumably if mid or long term side effects have occurred, they would have been picked up during the trials, which usually go on for much longer than the COVID ones have. So the question shouldn't really be "what vaccine has had such an effect" but "what vaccine candidate has". If there were vaccine candidates that ultimately failed because of side effects that weren't seen until 6 months later or longer, then that would be a concern, since these current vaccines haven't been tested for any longer than that.

MaxNormal · 24/11/2020 14:11

WTAF long term side effects do you think you get from a one time (or two time) jab? What vaccine in the history of humanity has ever been proven to have a long term side effect?

Swine flu vaccine.
Quite a lot of reports of long term adverse affects from the HPV vaccine as well.

bruffin · 24/11/2020 14:43

MaxNormal
There is no evidence on the HPV vaccine, and as previously stated there is evidence that countries that did not have swine flu vaccine had a increase in narcolepsy as well.

ddl1 · 24/11/2020 15:04

People who would choose not to have the jab - could the rest of us choose not to pay for your hospital treatment please?

I am 100% pro-vaccine, but I strongly disagree with anyone being excluded from medical treatment because of their choices or behaviour. The whole point of the NHS is that everyone has the right to medical treatment: rich or poor; saint or serial killer. Should smokers, for example, be denied free medical treatment? Or people who are injured in accidents caused by their own carelessness?

trulydelicious · 24/11/2020 15:28

@dd1

I think it's wrong to compare those who are reticent to receive a new vaccine to smokers or careless drivers. If anything, they are being overly cautious

MaxNormal · 24/11/2020 15:31

bruffin there was "no evidence" that the medication that damaged me should have done so, until years of hard work by affected people saw an EMA hearing take place in 2017 and the acknowledgement that it can cause long term or permanent side effects.
The parents of the children damaged by Thalidomide had to fight for years for acknowledgement.
There is a culture of disbelief around medication injuries.
It doesn't make them not real, it just makes things even harder for the victims.

ddl1 · 24/11/2020 15:37

I think it's wrong to compare those who are reticent to receive a new vaccine to smokers or careless drivers. If anything, they are being overly cautious

Some smokers are afraid of gaining weight if they stop smoking and consider that more of a risk than lung disease risks, which they think have been exaggerated. I have even heard people say that smoking will offer them protection from Covid.

Anyway, my main point is that everyone deserves free medical care, whether one agrees with their choices or not.

bruffin · 24/11/2020 16:14

Maxnormal
There is no evidence at all. There antivaxers who make all sort of claims but there is no basis for it.
www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/one-stop-shop-science-myth-debunking-gardasil/Skepticalraptor has done a huge amount of work looking at the evidence.

Zofrasi · 24/11/2020 20:02

@PrivateD00r sorry delayed reply.
You're welcome. The vaccine trial I am taking part in uses a vaccine very similar to the one that has been used for Ebola, which has been given to thousands in Africa with no ill effects.

Doublebubblebubble · 24/11/2020 20:03

I'm getting it 100%

JimmyTheBrave · 24/11/2020 21:13

A PP mentioned (somewhere on MN) that medication and vaccinations have different safety standards as vaccinations are given to healthy people, the aim isn't to cure/relieve symptoms like with medication.

So thalidomide, while obviously a tragedy, isn't really comparable. And without stating the obvious it was a long time ago, lessons have been learnt since then.

Jumbogirl · 26/11/2020 13:09

"I think it's wrong to compare those who are reticent to receive a new vaccine to smokers or careless drivers. If anything, they are being overly cautious"

Agreed! Voluntary vaxxing only. The vaxxers should go by all means ahead and get vaccinated but the anti-vaxxers( or those who are just cautious) must be respected.

I grew up under a very repressive regime (not in the UK) and even then parents weren't forced to vaccinate - they had the right to decline - nor did they lose their freedom for not vaccinating. And that was under a very, very repressive regime. This is a whole new level of state control that people are considering. Cannot believe my beloved English are going to take this quite sad

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