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To be weary of the vaccines?

605 replies

PunkyPirate · 21/11/2020 18:04

Will you be getting it?

Will you be allowing your children to get it?

I'm curious to peoples responses as my social media seems to be full of posts from people mocking those who will get the vaccine.

I'm by no means an anti Vaxer. Myself and my children have had all vaccinations and have the flu jab yearly. My only worry is that not enough is known about the long term side effects.

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MadameBlobby · 26/11/2020 13:21

Agreed! Voluntary vaxxing only. The vaxxers should go by all means ahead and get vaccinated but the anti-vaxxers( or those who are just cautious) must be respected.

I have zero respect for anti vaxxers (not people who are just hesitant about this jab) so no I won’t be changing my stance for this on your say so

Their stance is dangerous and risks continuing to damage public health and destroy the economy. Why is that worthy of respect?

southeastdweller · 26/11/2020 14:03

MadameBlobby I take it you’re similarly angry about the hundreds of thousands of obese people in the UK who cost the NHS millions of pounds a year? If not, why?

Jumbogirl · 26/11/2020 14:08

See that's the thing Blobby - I'm not asking you to change your stance on my say so. I believe you're entitled to do what you like with your own body. And I will make my own decisions. I may well have the vax. But I will fight like hell for the rights of people to decide for themselves rather for Big Brother to decree. It's a bit like abortion isn't it? My body, my choice.

BillBaileysPasoFace · 26/11/2020 18:12

But someone choosing to have an abortion or not doesn’t have an impact on others! ( well it does, but not the unintentional contagion we are talking about with Covid)

If you choose not to have a CV vaccination, you risk catching it yourself
and passing it to others. Up to you to weigh up those risks ( risk of catching it as well as how serious that would be to you and yours)

yeOldeTrout · 26/11/2020 18:17

I strongly intend not to get it... but I will get it if me getting it definitely persuades elderly relatives to get it. Does that put me in a weird space on the Venn diagram?

adoiada · 26/11/2020 18:25

If you choose not to have a CV vaccination, you risk catching it yourself and passing it to others

It is as yet unknown whether the leading vaccine candidates reduce transmission. So we can't say whether getting them would help anyone other than yourself yet.

Kettledodger · 26/11/2020 18:28

I will be taking the vaccine as will DP and 16yo DS we all have individually decided this. I am all for people to have the right to not have it if they choose. But I am also in the mind that certain things like travelling and going to large gatherings may need people to be vaccinated to be able to take part. Everything has consequences. Me taking a vaccine may give me side effects but not having a vaccine stops you doing some things too

MaxNormal · 26/11/2020 18:32

We have made huge, absolutely enormous sacrifices already to protect the elderly and vulnerable in society. Asking the young to continue sacrificing by forcing them (and coercion, through economic or social exclusion, is force) to take something that is likely to have more risks than benefits to them is grotesque.

ddl1 · 27/11/2020 00:23

I take it you’re similarly angry about the hundreds of thousands of obese people in the UK who cost the NHS millions of pounds a year? If not, why?

One reason that instantly springs to mind is that obesity isn't contagious.

ddl1 · 27/11/2020 00:33

This is a whole new level of state control that people are considering

Very few people are considering state control.

Some private organizations may choose to require evidence of vaccination. It's nothing new for an airline to choose to place some restrictions on who can travel with them. When I was a small child, we all had to get vaccinated (the original, anti-smallpox vaccination) to travel to Canada, even though we'd already been vaccinated as infants - which was not compulsory in the UK by that time, if it ever was. Women who are more than 36 weeks pregnant cannot travel on certain airlines, as they don't want to have to deal with someone going into labour on a plane. That's not the decision of the state, but of the airline.

bruffin · 27/11/2020 08:18

Countries like the US and Australia put restrictions in place on children who have not been vaccinated, and there are a few countries you cant visit without proof of yellow fever vaccination

My own DD went to work in a summer camp in the US, She had to have documented proof of all her vaccinations including chickenpox. I didnt take her to gp for chickenpox when she was a baby because her brother had it the week before and ended up ringing around to find someone who would test her titres for chickenpox in time on a bank holiday weekend.

tearsintiers · 27/11/2020 10:01

I would have the vaccine today if I could.

isitsnowingyet · 27/11/2020 10:20

Yes, yes and double yes. I will have the vaccine if it is offered to me. I'm 56 and work with vulnerable adults in a hospital setting.

To all those who won't have it - relying on herd immunity which cannot be achieved unless the majority are vaccinated - you are selfish.

Unless you have previously had a bad reaction to a vaccine, or your health is compromised in some way, really, have the vaccine.

isitsnowingyet · 27/11/2020 10:23

to take something that is likely to have more risks than benefits to them is grotesque.

Really?? What risks? This sounds like utter tosh. Please cite the evidence for this ridiculous statement.

trulydelicious · 27/11/2020 11:24

@isitsnowingyet

Really?? What risks? This sounds like utter tosh. Please cite the evidence for this ridiculous statement.

I understand that if one works in a hospital setting that may make one assess risks differently.

However, the Covid vaccines are new and we simply do not know the long term side effects they may or may not have. So the risk is pretty much there.

JimmyTheBrave · 27/11/2020 12:55

[quote trulydelicious]**@isitsnowingyet

Really?? What risks? This sounds like utter tosh. Please cite the evidence for this ridiculous statement.

I understand that if one works in a hospital setting that may make one assess risks differently.

However, the Covid vaccines are new and we simply do not know the long term side effects they may or may not have. So the risk is pretty much there.[/quote]
The claim was "to take something that is likely to have more risks than benefits to them is grotesque."

Exactly how they've come to this conclusion is (I think) what @isitsnowingyet is questioning.

hamstersarse · 27/11/2020 13:00

I would reluctantly have it, but it is in my context that would allow me to agree with it - I will be at the bottom of the list so many people will have been the guinea pigs for it by the time it gets to me

I certainly wouldn't want to be one of the first. The current debacle around the Oxford / AZ vaccine doesn't fill me with much confidence about the safety testing that has been done.

isitsnowingyet · 27/11/2020 13:24

@JimmyTheBrave - exactly my point. There's a lot of hyperbole on this thread with no basis.

@hamstersarse - What debacle?

LaceyBetty · 27/11/2020 19:02

@hamstersarse

I would reluctantly have it, but it is in my context that would allow me to agree with it - I will be at the bottom of the list so many people will have been the guinea pigs for it by the time it gets to me

I certainly wouldn't want to be one of the first. The current debacle around the Oxford / AZ vaccine doesn't fill me with much confidence about the safety testing that has been done.

What is the "debacle"? Not finding anything.
Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2020 19:26

The article's behind a paywall, adoiada, but it's possible to get far enough to note the predictable doubt around AZ/Oxford's trials and claims

Only thing is it's a US piece - does the call for the repeat tests apply just to their market, do you know, or is that for its potential use everywhere?

adoiada · 27/11/2020 19:36

Is it? It's totally viewable in full for me!

Anyway I just googled it because I already read it somewhere else this morning. It's been in the news all day, plenty of sources

DivisionBelles · 27/11/2020 20:13

@hamstersarse

I would reluctantly have it, but it is in my context that would allow me to agree with it - I will be at the bottom of the list so many people will have been the guinea pigs for it by the time it gets to me

I certainly wouldn't want to be one of the first. The current debacle around the Oxford / AZ vaccine doesn't fill me with much confidence about the safety testing that has been done.

I don't think it's safety that is the concern, it's because the full dose/half dose discovery was accidental and the sample of volunteers who were in that part of the trial was only small and none were over 55. Hence they need to trial again to get more data and see if the efficacy is the same. I'm no virologist though, just my understanding of the situation!
KeysDontBelongInTheFridge · 27/11/2020 20:37

After talking to two of my friends who are nurses, and two who are doctors all four are going to refuse the vaccine. This makes me more than a bit wary.

gillianan · 27/11/2020 20:56

they'll be losing their jobs then!

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