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Secondary schools are fucked, BOFFINS ADMIT

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noblegiraffe · 13/11/2020 21:39

Latest ONS random sampling data shows that secondary school children in Y7-11 are now the age group with the highest infection rate in England, overtaking sixth form and university students.

In Wales "Schoolchildren are more likely to catch and spread coronavirus than previously thought, experts have warned... It was also discovered that while children were far more likely to be asymptomatic and not become seriously unwell, they were more likely to be the first positive case in any household."

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/schoolchildren-more-likely-catch-spread-19275959?fbclid=IwAR0kpoikv0D_nkwHx3lVyQX_cyDj6Ycy1d6gE3aRx6syxUKzFQsYzMDSqPw

English boffins are a bit slower on the uptake though
"SAGE’s report found that prevalence of Covid-19 in school-age children had “risen significantly” in the first wave, and that the rise in prevalence was “first visible around the time that schools reopened”.

However, it said that while this “may be indicative of a potential role for school opening, causation, including the extent to which transmission is occurring in schools, is unproven and difficult to establish”.

schoolsweek.co.uk/child-infection-rate-rise-began-when-schools-reopened-but-direct-link-unproven-says-sage/

It must indeed be difficult to establish whether there's transmission in a high risk environment where kids are packed in like sardines with no mitigation measures. A real head-scratcher. Especially if you spent the whole summer insisting that it would be fine because the kids are facing forward.

What do we want? Well, one of the major teaching unions has called on the government to:

  1. Demonstrate that they are following the scientific evidence and advice.
  2. Strengthen the guidance to schools and colleges on ensuring COVID-safe and COVID-secure working practices.
  3. Secure the updating and publication of health and safety risk assessments and equality impact assessments by school and college employers.
  4. Publish weekly data on positive cases of COVID-19 infections of school/college staff and pupils by local government area
  5. Ramp up inspection and enforcement measures in schools and colleges, including more comprehensive use of spot checks and visits by the Health and Safety Executive (HSE).
  6. Take swift action to protect public health in the event of an outbreak.
  7. Protect vulnerable teachers and support staff and pupils.
  8. Strengthen the guidance to insist on effective social distancing in schools/colleges.
  9. Establish a national plan for remote education/blended and distance learning.
10. Provide significant additional financial support for schools and colleges urgently to ensure the safety of staff and pupils, including extra funding for cleaning, personal protective equipment (PPE) and supply teachers

www.nasuwt.org.uk/article-listing/plan-to-keep-schools-safe-during-pandemic.html

Oh OP I knew this would be you yadayada...yeah that's why I chose the same thread title as before etc etc.

Why do we need another thread blah blah: it's because secondary school kids are now infected at the highest rates in the country. This has implications for lockdown. How effective will it be if the most infected subset of the population are mixing freely? And it's also the first hint from scientists that they might have been wrong about exactly how safe schools are. There's also a strong suggestion that kids are bringing the virus home from school which parents should be aware of.

It's also causing chaos in schools, but there's another thread about that.

Secondary schools are fucked, BOFFINS ADMIT
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TheSunIsStillShining · 15/11/2020 15:05

no answer to that, but I like a challenge :)
This is cool and informative (only related on the tangent of air flow)

TheSunIsStillShining · 15/11/2020 15:10

ooohhh... found half a solution. Autodesk has a program that simulates air flow of buildings and millions of parameters can be configured.
I'm highly partial to them as we have been working with and for them for a long time. I'll let you know if I can convince my H to look it up, download and build a quick model so I can play around with it. He might not be able to....

TheHoneyBadger · 15/11/2020 15:13

You have blinds?! You can tell you work in the private sector with fancy stuff like blinds.

noblegiraffe · 15/11/2020 15:25

I’m not in the private sector! Even state schools admit that being blinded by the sun in the mornings isn’t the most productive learning environment.

Putting up blinds probably disturbed the asbestos so it’s swings and roundabouts.

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noblegiraffe · 15/11/2020 15:26

Autodesk has a program that simulates air flow of buildings and millions of parameters can be configured

Now that sounds like it might be useful in this scenario!

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TheSunIsStillShining · 15/11/2020 15:33

could you sketch up your room? with appr measurements of walls, where the windows/door are and what type of blind you have? nothing fancy, rudimentary is perfectly enough.

TheHoneyBadger · 15/11/2020 15:38

I remember the first school I worked at I couldn't see the computer screen and the kids on one side of the room were blinded in the morning lessons. No amount of begging could get me blinds.

I used to blue tak sugar paper to the windows.

Current school has manky curtains that look fit for burning in what is now the year 8 block. That whole block is manky and will probably need to be jet washed after this saga. No ownership of the rooms as teachers are just zooming in and out and doing our best to get kids to pick up rubbish. I feel sorry for the department whose building it is.

CallmeAngelina · 15/11/2020 15:40

We have posh roller blinds - in the school colours, no less!!
I ban all children from even touching them in case they break the rollery bit.
Hence my room is about the only one where they're all intact and looking good.

cantkeepawayforever · 15/11/2020 15:58

I have an air flow vs wasps scenario.

Good ventilation = 8-10 wasps come in every day, causing havoc amongst the class.

Reduce ventilation = fewer wasps, less havoc but more virus....

Danglingmod · 15/11/2020 16:18

Oh, the wasps causing havoc is just another stress that I'd forgotten about. Year 7 girls jumping up and screaming and running around the classroom is NOT the most Covid safe behaviour Grin

CallmeAngelina · 15/11/2020 16:18

Ooh, ooh, ooh!!! No, wait, I have the FAIL-SAFE method of getting rid of wasps!!
They are attracted to the fluorescent tubes and hover there, lying in wait to attack.
TURN THE LIGHTS OFF, open the windows wide (oops, yes, I can see a hitch already) and they fly out. Always. Every time.
They're attracted to the light outside.

You're welcome.

TheHoneyBadger · 15/11/2020 16:24

Sorry noble don't know where I got the idea you were in private school.

My lesson was being destroyed by wasp hysteria the other day and the head of maths came in and did a delicate catch and release manoeuvre in his mask. I was just annoyed and rolling my eyes at hysteria rather than doing anything useful. I'm trying to stay pinned at the front of the room as per risk assessment

cantkeepawayforever · 15/11/2020 16:24

CallMe,

Oh yes, we do now have a Trained Wasp Brigade, who zap the lights, open the windows wider, and [coveted job] stand next to the window clasping the Laminated Sheet of Wasp Doom to usher the creature out if it lands on the glass instead.

Meanwhile the rest of the class looks like one of those nuclear drills in which everyone dives underneath their desks for protection. We have got down from screams to whimpers.

cantkeepawayforever · 15/11/2020 16:26

8-10 per day since the start of September has lessened the havoc per wasp, but it's not exactly helped the work rate....

TheSunIsStillShining · 15/11/2020 16:34

mosquito nets? cheap afterthought ones that attach with velcro band?

OverTheRainbow88 · 15/11/2020 16:40

I had a wasp come in at the same time as an ofsted inspector! The joy!

CallmeAngelina · 15/11/2020 16:50

I had an Ofsted inspector trip, fall and concuss herself on the way in to observe me.
She gave me an Outstanding, however, so...

borntobequiet · 15/11/2020 16:58

I once attempted to swat a wasp that was buzzing around up by the fluorescent light and succeeded in bringing the tube crashing down. That was a fun lesson.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 15/11/2020 17:03

Wasps and classroom farts. The things they never teach you on teaching practice, but are in fact the most important things of all. Can disrupt a class in seconds!😂

TheHoneyBadger · 15/11/2020 17:13

I feel quite the failure for just standing rolling my eyes. I'm very much of the just stop flapping about and it will go away school of response to wasps.

CallmeAngelina · 15/11/2020 17:17

Yeah, but Honey, I said exactly that a couple of weeks ago and then saw that the wasp was actually crawling inside the collar of a child.

I managed to save the day, however.

TheHoneyBadger · 15/11/2020 17:22

Yikes! Good job they weren't relying on my offs attitude lol

cantkeepawayforever · 15/11/2020 17:26

The sleepier the wasp, the worse - ie it has got worse and worse as the weeks have gone on. To begin with they were all energetic and zooming, and zipped around well out of everyone's reach. Now they're too tired to get more than halfway across the classroom and think nothing of idling around on a child's jumper or hair or ear getting their breath back.

WhyNotMe40 · 15/11/2020 17:26

Oh my goodness. Farts.
One of my year 9s regularly does the most awful stinkers! I've had to ban the class from reacting to them because they were so over the top, and the child was getting upset. So now they get a behaviour point if there is any wafting, urghing, screaming, shouting, running across the classroom, or even burying of nose in clothes.
If I had a choice I would actually add it to the behaviour rules.

  1. Uniform
  2. Work to the best of your ability
  3. No disrupting others learning
  4. No reacting At All to farts or wasps
  5. Homework in on time

Etc Grin

cantkeepawayforever · 15/11/2020 17:29

Burps. Farts. Wasps. Projectile vomit. Friendship issues (especially those beloved of upper KS2 girls). NONE of this did I cover in my PGCE....

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