This scientist thinks we have got everything very, very wrong

[queenofknives]

I mean, he's pretty convincing so far tbh. Anyone else watching?

I feel exactly the same OP. I was told yesterday by a friend that her father died after an accident in June. He had 3 negative Covid tests while in hospital being treated but sadly died of his injuries after a week. The hospital did a post mortem (that my friend says wasnt necessary and they didn't request), after which the death was put as a Covid death. He was in an accident!!
I realise that it seems like it can't be true but it absolutely is, I promise.
I've never posted before, but feel like I need to say this has happened.

Do you really beleive the damage that has been done to the economy is on purpose?

No, that seems unlikely. Sheer and utter incompetence would be my guess.

Even if you believe that the 50k in the UK is overstated (that’s heading towards one in every thousand of your population btw) then do you also think the 200k in the US is made up? Deaths are high. They are lower when the healthcare service is not overwhelmed. In the UK the tories have fucked up the NHS to the point it wasn’t really coping before this never mind now but that wouldn’t magically get better if you stopped lockdown Then it would be full of covid patients and STILL no other patients.

And no lockdowns don’t work long term if YOU DON’T DO ANYTHING USEFUL other than them! If a lockdown eradicated the virus in your country and while you were locked down you closed all the borders and set up aggressive contact tracing then you might keep it at bay until (hopefully) a vaccine is in place. And then you have prevented many deaths. The UK problem isn’t the lockdown. It’s the fact when you come out it just rebounds because the incompetent government has done nothing effective

@queenofknives I can show you my Mum’s death certificate and the cause of death was COVID, she didn’t die with it, she died of it, she was not ‘hardly anyone’

@Trees123456789

I feel exactly the same OP. I was told yesterday by a friend that her father died after an accident in June. He had 3 negative Covid tests while in hospital being treated but sadly died of his injuries after a week. The hospital did a post mortem (that my friend says wasnt necessary and they didn't request), after which the death was put as a Covid death. He was in an accident!! I realise that it seems like it can't be true but it absolutely is, I promise. I've never posted before, but feel like I need to say this has happened.

Yes. You could be killed by a bus but if you have a positive covid test it would be a covid death in the numbers. Thanks for posting, and I'm sorry to hear about your friend's dad. These are such hard times.

@mayflowerapplepie

Even if you believe that the 50k in the UK is overstated (that’s heading towards one in every thousand of your population btw) then do you also think the 200k in the US is made up? Deaths are high. They are lower when the healthcare service is not overwhelmed. In the UK the tories have fucked up the NHS to the point it wasn’t really coping before this never mind now but that wouldn’t magically get better if you stopped lockdown Then it would be full of covid patients and STILL no other patients.

And no lockdowns don’t work long term if YOU DON’T DO ANYTHING USEFUL other than them! If a lockdown eradicated the virus in your country and while you were locked down you closed all the borders and set up aggressive contact tracing then you might keep it at bay until (hopefully) a vaccine is in place. And then you have prevented many deaths. The UK problem isn’t the lockdown. It’s the fact when you come out it just rebounds because the incompetent government has done nothing effective

This 👏👏👏👏

@queenofknives

I'm getting to the point where I think the only way forward now is to ditch masks, forget about social distancing, ignore the lockdown and just go back to life. We can't lose all our rights and freedoms, give up the nhs and go into a devastating economic depression for a virus that kills virtually no one.

Did you actually just write that??! Those words were actually in your head and you said them out loud. The amount of people I have lost to this virus is the most awful thing I've ever experienced. You are a very shallow person to just dismiss those who have died.

It’s totally true

My mates an icu consultant

Covid deaths as recorded are deaths were patient has had a positive test in 28 days - they don’t have to have died from covid they just need to have died with covid in their system

Let’s not forget at peak many care home residents were left untreated

So many died because they were left to just manage symptoms

In summer deaths went below the 5 year average

I expect the yearly deaths will balance out and many of those who died at peak would have died anyway

Obviously some people died sooner I’m not dismissing all deaths but certainly not as bad as it’s made out

My nhs friends say no one under 70 who’s healthy should give it second thought

I find these posts so frustrating.

Please consider that the counterfactual situation if we removed policies isn't back to normal life without restrictions, it would be an uncontrolled epidemic with no restrictions.

This would also destroy the nhs and trigger economic depression, along with all the other COVID related issues :/

[quote Aurorie11]@queenofknives I can show you my Mum’s death certificate and the cause of death was COVID, she didn’t die with it, she died of it, she was not ‘hardly anyone’[/quote]
Sorry to hear about your mum. To be clear, I'm not saying she was 'no one', in any sense of the word. I'm very sorry for your loss.

I am only talking about the statistics and how they do not match the political response. I also know of people who have died of covid and agree with pp who say it's a horrible virus. But it's clear to me that the way it's being dealt with is absolutely disproportionate, and that's my point here.

Does anyone else's phone auto correct virus to Boris

Please consider that the counterfactual situation if we removed policies isn't back to normal life without restrictions, it would be an uncontrolled epidemic with no restrictions.

I don't see why those are the only two alternatives. Is there not some middle way, where we protect the more vulnerable people and allow others to continue normal life? I can't believe that such a thing is beyond us as advanced scientific nations.

50 000 dead and it kills virtually no one
get lost OP

But also, please note some countries have had a more measured approach and have not had lockdowns or only minimal ones.

And which countries have done this

@queenofknives?
None that I have heard of. The countries that have done well with keeping numbers low have strict rules/high compliance with rules (like Japan and new Zealand).

Sleep

I’m also Liverpool and half my mates are nhs

2 work at aintree and one at the royal

All say they’re no busier than normal for this time fo year - just busier generally due to distancing rules

@queenofknives

I'm getting to the point where I think the only way forward now is to ditch masks, forget about social distancing, ignore the lockdown and just go back to life. We can't lose all our rights and freedoms, give up the nhs and go into a devastating economic depression for a virus that kills virtually no one.

This. We can't live this way anymore. Social distancing is cruel and a form of torture. I know my own mental health is deteriorating and I genuinely fear what I'll do to myself if I have to live this pointless existence for much longer.

There's a very low death rate as far as we can tell. And a lot of 'covid deaths' are nothing of the kind - they are deaths due to other causes but the covid test has shown positive. They are really deaths 'with' covid, rather than from covid. So we really don't know

We do, because of the excess deaths rate across the globe, despite a very mild flu season.

Anyone who doubts the severity of CV should remind themselves that many European health systems were totally overwhelmed, despite being far better staffed and funded than the UKs, we just let them die in CH's & shut down the NHS to routine treatment instead.

Deaths dropped below the seasonal average because so many people died early.

The amount of people I have lost to this virus is the most awful thing I've ever experienced. You are a very shallow person to just dismiss those who have died.

I'm really sorry to hear of your experience, that sounds heartbreaking.

I am certainly not dismissing those who have died - that wasn't my intention at all. I was talking about statistics and what I see as a disproportionate political response to those statistics. I appreciate that my words could be interpreted in a different way but that wouldn't reflect my intended meaning.

Yes, that was my point. It would be awful to lose the NHS. And that's what seems to be happening. Did you see the nurse who resigned after she shared the figures from her hospital - completely shut down, empty wards, and three covid deaths? We are going to lose our health service and it's horrifying. I'm in South Devon, yesterday my local hospital had 4 covid deaths.

It’s totally true

My mates an icu consultant

This would be fab on a t shirt or mug.