Worried that the military and NHS are on standby to deliver vaccines

[BurningRose]

Just heard this on the BBC news at 6.Does this mean the military will be injecting people? Will it be mandatory for certain groups? This is rather worrying.

Also the length of immunity is pretty unknown atm, I'm part of a research study looking into how long antibodies last in healthcare workers, and will be some months before any data is published.

Surely it better to get your immunity topped up with a vaccine booster (if it proves necessary) than to risk getting Covid again to top up your immunity and either getting seriously ill your self or passing it on to someone who does?!

Outside army medics and nurses, other military personnel are trained in basic medical procedures. They have to be to cope with battlefield injuries and other medical issues. A relative of mine has been trained in a large midlands hospital to a high standard. I’d be happy for him to inject me.

I wonder if there may be situations where you will need to prove you were vaccinated in order to do particular activities?
This is one aspect of creeping authoritarianism. But let's us all trust a needle to solve all our problems 🙄

You have ne idea if you're immune, there's been cases of reinfection.

If the military are injecting... Then so what? If they're trained and in "scrubs", waring masks etc how would you know? Also, what kind of training do you think it takes to administration injections? Loads of people inject insulin every day... they're not medical professionals

Despite your updates,I'm not sure why the military being involved is worrying? They were involved in nightingale hospitals.... But they weren't performing surgeries or hooking people up to drops etc.

@AlrightTreacle

Also the length of immunity is pretty unknown atm, I'm part of a research study looking into how long antibodies last in healthcare workers, and will be some months before any data is published.

But the op already knows she’s immune and will be for the foreseeable..

@BurningRose

My comment is not as odd as it seems. Some legislation was passed recently allowing non medical professionals to administer vaccines of needed.

You don’t need to be a medical professional.

Phlebotomists are often ‘just’ receptionists or administration assistants.

People giving vaccines will be specifically trained to deliver them.

Pharmacists who opt to train to give vaccines attend an online learning course then a fairly short face to face practical course. The whole thing is around 6 hours with the online learning and the face to face course combined.

*Ps I had a positive covid test a few months ago so I won't need a vaccine. I now have natural immunity.

I worry about creeping authoritarianism though.*

I thought they were seeing more cases now of people who had it first time round and now again, only 2nd time round there are more complications as in scarring of lungs from the first case.

@BurningRose

I wonder if there may be situations where you will need to prove you were vaccinated in order to do particular activities? This is one aspect of creeping authoritarianism. But let's us all trust a needle to solve all our problems 🙄

You sound like anti-vaxxer now...

@BurningRose

I wonder if there may be situations where you will need to prove you were vaccinated in order to do particular activities? This is one aspect of creeping authoritarianism. But let's us all trust a needle to solve all our problems 🙄

Eh? There is plenty of things you need to be vaccinated against to travel to various countries, yellow fever for example. You have heard of getting your jabs before you travel right?

@Sheogorath

Yeah, they're going to be sticking needles in machine guns and firing them at people.

I actually laughed out loud at that.

How hard do people actually think giving an injection actually is? There are millions of non medical people who have been trained to give injections, diabetics, IVF, cancer and goodness only knows what else people end having to learn how to do it.

Apart from the logistics etc, the military have a whole heap of medically trained personnel who are able to administer the vaccine

@BurningRose

Ps I had a positive covid test a few months ago so I won't need a vaccine. I now have natural immunity.

I worry about creeping authoritarianism though.

I hear you

OP do you have a better solution?

Less than half a dozen have been proven to have had it twice.
There are people around who still have high antibodies since march.
Everything is so variable.

How would you logistically deliver the vaccine that needs to be kept at -80?

@BurningRose

Ps I had a positive covid test a few months ago so I won't need a vaccine. I now have natural immunity.

I worry about creeping authoritarianism though.

Yeah, good luck with that when it does what all virii do and mutates. At least with vaccines available, they'll be able to do what they do with the flu jab and adapt it each year or so.

In any case, no, they aren't doing something weird and creepy. The army are the people best placed to move huge amounts of equipment to set up vaccination sites, to arrange for the movement of trained medical staff and to keep those locations supplied with washing facilities, water, electricity and communications. A vet is perfectly able to administer vaccinations to humans, as is a dentist, whilst maintaining proper infection control and following recordtaking procedures.

Informed consent is fundamental to medicine in the UK. Otherwise, the MMR, DTP+++ (whatever it is now, as it covers so many deadly diseases), and many more would have been compulsory, too.

The internet is a scary place. You have people complaining about wearing masks, not wearing masks, not being vaccinated, not being top of the list to be vaccinated - and then you have the conspiracy theorists who attribute magical malign intent to absolutely fucking everything.

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The military are doing the logistics, thank goodness.
The gov cannot afford another test and trace debacle.
Vax will not be mandatory

@BurningRose

My comment is not as odd as it seems. Some legislation was passed recently allowing non medical professionals to administer vaccines of needed.

As a former nurse, @BurningRose, I can tell you that giving an intramuscular injection is an easy skill to teach - I mastered it on my first ward, as a student nurse.

It will not be hard to teach military personnel to give the vaccination safely - indeed, many will already have first aid training. The military also has exceptional skills in logistics, which will enable them to deliver a vaccination programme efficiently - they are very good at getting boots on the ground, where they are needed, quickly and efficiently - and it won’t involve pulling NHS staff away from their jobs.

The military are being involved in the roll out of the vaccination programme because it makes sense to make use of their skills in logistics, and of their personnel. I am 100% sure it is nothing to do with making the vaccination compulsory.

I hope this sets your mind at rest.

Is this a serious post?

I heard they were getting professional darts players in to do the injections while socially distanced.

🤣

*How hard do people actually think giving an injection actually is? There are millions of non medical people who have been trained to give injections, diabetics, IVF, cancer and goodness only knows what else people end having to learn how to do it

Exactly. As said, my husband had to inject me daily for two weeks into my tummy (because I couldn’t bring myself to do it) to avoid blood clots, before rhey moved me to oral medicine. It’s not a big deal.

They will preload the syringe, take the lid off, pull the stopper back, stick it in the persons arm, push down syringe. Job down.

@Sheogorath your comments about machine guns made me laugh out loud 🤣

I broke my ankle and my husband had to inject my stomach daily to avoid clots. He wasn’t even shown how to do it.

I was "trained" by a nurse to give my partner similar injections. It took approximately 30 seconds. It really isn't rocket science OP.

So what solution do you propose BurningRose ?