Worried that the military and NHS are on standby to deliver vaccines

[BurningRose]

Just heard this on the BBC news at 6.Does this mean the military will be injecting people? Will it be mandatory for certain groups? This is rather worrying.

Chicken pox parties but certainly not measles parties.

The op is drip feeding various arguments. Some of which are actual untruths .

Wonder why.

Beware the anti-vaxxer dressed up in vaccine-skeptics clothing...

Didn't I read there was going to be legislation against anti vax incitement on social media?

Possibly not - though there was an article about GCHQ being active in countering it. Why them? Because of the strong association with Russian troll accounts.

WHO also issued a report about troll-bots and anti-vaccination activity, saying it was one of the big emerging threats to global public health

Those firing the insults at me. Where is the nastiness coming from? Why so defensive?

Because your anti vaxx views aren’t even based on proper scientific peer reviewed articles. They are based on ignorance and lack of scientific understanding.

But with, you know, added risks of vaccine injury and side effects or messing with your dna.
Don't say I didn't warn you about side effects

Just stop and think about what you have just written. If the risks of vaccination were greater than the risks of the diseases they prevent why do you think that medical professionals and most people are pro vaccination? It’s simple maths.

So long as they don't have vested economic interests

Of course there is an element of economics here. It is far, far cheaper to administer disease preventing vaccinations than it is to fill hospitals with people who have contracted these preventable diseases. If a vaccination means that lockdowns become a thing of the past the economy will begin to recover.

Most of us would already be dead from things like measles if it wasn’t for vaccinations

I had measles. I didn’t die, but I now have had poor eyesight and hearing as a result.

The blind trust many of you have in authority kind of worries me to be honest.

“Sheeple” like me have far more trust in doctors, scientific evidence and peer reviewed scientific publications than woo articles that anyone can google. Any educated person is going to believe in the science and not the bleatings of an anti vaxxer who doesn’t even understand the scientific article linked further up the thread. Ask yourself why you think you know better than the vast majority of people.

532 people died today
Five hundred and thirty two

How many more people have to die to convince anti vaxxers like you that a vaccination programme is the only way forward?

all drugs produce a profit not just vaccines .

And the government will have spent a lot of money on 40 million doses .

Perhaps the Oxford vaccine will make the country some money which might balance out the millions spent on furlough ?

Who knows ?

But profit is not an argument unless you are going to refuse any drug that helps you at any time in your life .

I skipped to the end to see if this was going where I thought it might: anti-vaxxer woo woo. It was the “I have had COVID so I have natural immunity” post early on that got my spidey sense tingling.

If the risks of vaccination were greater than the risks of the diseases they prevent why do you think that medical professionals and most people are pro vaccination?

Ah but don't you know that all anti-vaxxers have "several friends who are medical professionals" and every single one of these "friends" refuses to have their children vaccinated even though they go to work every day and tell other parents that vaccines are good? I used to work in healthcare, I have family members who still do (including one working in testing who will almost certainly be involved in vaccinating), and I have never encountered an anti-vaxx medical professional. It makes me wonder if all the anti-vaxxers are friends with the same three fictional professionals.

The fact is that you have a choice . If you don’t want the vaccine don’t have it .

But also let everyone else make their own decisions on their own research .,

Don’t try and influence others .

And I bet when you want to travel you will probably change your mind .,

You accuse people of not questioning enough, OP. But you yourself are prepared to accept that you have a natural immunity that will last at least as long as the immunity produced by a vaccine, when you cannot possibly know that at this point. Vaccines can sometimes produce a stronger or more lasting immune response than natural infection, and increasingly people do not think natural immunity lasts that long with this virus. There is no confirmed evidence of long lasting T cell immunity yet, just as we don't know the duration of protection from any vaccine yet. Probably there will need to be repeated vaccinations.

To be honest you are the one sounding a little gullible and wedded to preconceived notions. But that's ok. The army will sort you out!

Depressing how many anti vaxxers are crawling out the woodwork and the risk that poses to everyone else.

@giggly I assume that these big jab sites would have some doctors to deal with problems rather than everyone on site needing to know how to treat anaphylaxis etc.

Tell that too all those African children who died when administered Trovan as part of a trial by Pfizer without proper consent from their parents (like wtf imagine of that was your child)...they settled that case and Europe refused to approve it due to liver toxicity concerns.

Or the fact they were fined billions of dollars for bribing doctors and government officials...hmmmwhat a fantastic company they are

Or the fact they were fined for marketing drugs for treatments it wasn't approved for...yes what a fantastic company that you can trust

Those are all facts you can go find that information for yourself its not a lie or a conspiracy or being anti vaxxer

This covid vaccine hasn't had proper testing time so given the nefarious conduct of said company in the past then yes I'm going to be more skeptical about what they produce and whether I want it injected in my body.

Perhaps if they want people to trust them they should act more responsibly as a company.

@Sycamoretrees

To be perfectly honest I don't care who administers my vaccine shots as long as they hurry up, and no it won't be compulsory, if you don't want yours then that'll just mean that those of us who do will get it faster. Sorry to be blunt but the madness of this year needs to end.

Couldn’t have put it better myself!

Anti vaxxers are dangerous and deluded.
On every forum that they can infiltrate and I am sick of them all.
I was born in the 1960s and was a premature poorly baby. I wasn’t given any vaccine on Doctors advice. I got measles when I was 6 and nearly died. It caused impaired sight and hearing that I live with to this day.

TBH, the only people who will suffer the consequences of not having the vaccine will be the people who refuse. They’ll spread it amongst themselves, so it will be their own fault if they contract it.

@Livelovebehappy

TBH, the only people who will suffer the consequences of not having the vaccine will be the people who refuse. They’ll spread it amongst themselves, so it will be their own fault if they contract it.

My thoughts exactly. Why worry about the people who refuse to have the vaccine...they will only infect each other and the smart people who go ahead and have it will be protected.

@Livelovebehappy

TBH, the only people who will suffer the consequences of not having the vaccine will be the people who refuse. They’ll spread it amongst themselves, so it will be their own fault if they contract it.

But what about the people who can’t have it? They rely on other people getting vaccinated to bring about herd immunity

@BurningRose

Just heard this on the BBC news at 6.Does this mean the military will be injecting people? Will it be mandatory for certain groups? This is rather worrying.

What exactly are you worried about?

[quote PastMyBestBeforeDate]@giggly I assume that these big jab sites would have some doctors to deal with problems rather than everyone on site needing to know how to treat anaphylaxis etc.[/quote]
Yes - the general idea is that there will be a core of doctors and nurses at the big 'pop up' sites, who will ensure the clinical governance and deal with any medical issues (directly, or supervising).

If there are insufficient spare medics, then they could ask for volunteers from recently retired doctors and nurses

Then most staff could be any person trained in the task

• checking identity
• asking if patient understands what they are there for and consents
• ask if patient has read side effects leaflet and whether would like a copy to take away
• administer jab
• advise patient when to return for jab 2
• record the jab (probably by sticking barcode on a form, like flu jab at pharmacy, signing, and endorsing with centre stamp)

Seriously why would you not want to get this vaccine? Nothing worrying about the army helping. It is simply about capacity. I am getting so sick of people complaining about the idea of having to get the vaccine. Haven't we had enough people dying of Covid and enough disruption to our lives...People who don't want the vaccine when and if it comes should have to continue to isolate from others.

Why worry about the people who refuse to have the vaccine...they will only infect each other and the smart people who go ahead and have it will be protected.

No vaccine is 100% effective. Some people who have the vaccine won't get protection from it or will only get partial protection.

Some people are unable to get vaccinated due to health issues or have their previous immunities compromised due to health issues.

The more a disease circulates, the greater the risk of it mutating.

Contagious people could come into contact with anyone from any of these groups and pass it on.

People who don't get vaccinated are not only going to infect themselves.

I'm happy that the military, with their logistics experience and resources, are involved, but I also understand what the OP is saying. I'll get my vaccination once I can and, in my area, we do have mass testing sites. But can't begin to fathom how much taxpayers' money has been wasted on so many things since 2010.

Now it's even worse, because the money is being directed towards their cronies and donors. Also the debates around: should people be confined inside if they don't have the vaccine; and carry around papers to show they have had it, are scary. There is new legislation being slipped in under the radar of covid-19, without any debate, as I found out when I Googled to see why the high-level construction work was going on around our property at times I thought it wasn't allowed. I found this: /www.gov.uk/government/publications/construction-working-hours-draft-guidance/draft-guidance-construction-site-hours-deemed-consent. They seem to be telling local councils, 'don't bother contesting it'. It may seem irrelevant here, but if you read the guidelines they're using covid-19 as an excuse.

@requinblanc

Who are you to tell another person what they should or shouldn't do. I don't tell you what you should do to your body its not my place nor my right nor my business.

So why question someone else's decision on what they want to do.

If you decide you don't want it, I really don't care and wouldn't even think to say to you why wouldn't you get it esp when your a stranger.

People should stay out of other people's personal business quite frankly.

Yes - the general idea is that there will be a core of doctors and nurses at the big 'pop up' sites,

Paramedics, pharmacists, probably allied health professionals once the law is amended. There are loads of groups in the NHS who can deal with vaccinations and emergency treatment. Staffing is obviously a little more tricky in the middle of a pandemic though!